On 25 Mar 2014, at 07:28, Quentin Anciaux wrote:




2014-03-24 23:27 GMT+01:00 LizR <lizj...@gmail.com>:
On 25 March 2014 11:03, Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com> wrote:
2014-03-24 22:00 GMT+01:00 Richard Ruquist <yann...@gmail.com>:

Well then the question is How is cloning different from Asking the doctor to gather info from the substitution level to reproduce you at two different locations? To me at least that seems to be essentially cloning you.

By computationalism "you" are duplicable at your substitution level which by hypothesis is finite... but *matter* is not, because matter is what is below your substitution level and is composed of an infinity of computation.

I thought matter wasn't necessarily below your subst level. I'm fairly sure Bruno said the subst level could be at the level of fundamental particles,

That's not "matter" in comp... matter is what is stable and below your substitution level, so any piece of matter is "made of" an infinity of computations, and that's why you can't "clone" it. Bruno will correct me if I'm wrong.

Just to be sure, that's correct. With comp matter is "redefined" by the FPI, on what the UD, or arithmetic "do" below our substitution level. That's why "matter" inherit verifiable properties from computer science or (intensional) arithmetic only.

Bruno




Quentin

or whatever is going on at the Planck length, or below...


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