Samiya – Has Islam never participated in perpetrating violence against others; in conquest?
Islam is as guilty as the other Abrahamic faiths, as an agent of violence in human history. Chris From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Samiya Illias Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2014 9:57 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: cannabis, cancer and mechanism, and climate. People do many strange and horrid things in the name of religion or nation or some other pretext. Violence has been perpetrated by the Crusaders, by the Nazis, by the Buddhists in Bhutan, by the Hindus in the Kashmir, Babri Masjid, by the Jews in Palestine, the Soviets in Afghanistan, the US and Allies in Iraq, and the list goes on... One must look beyond the people and evaluate religions for their message. Samiya spudboy100 wrote: Well, I am more focused on human behavior, and what happens to humans in this world. If such a spiritual intoxication leads to an ecstatic, plunge into violence, a "holy" violence, then a reasoning person may pause, and ponder what is lost, what is gained, and what is the damage done? Rather than focus on the internal realm of self, I concentrate, for now, on behavior. On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 9:26 PM, <spudboy...@aol.com> wrote: Well, I am more focused on human behavior, and what happens to humans in this world. If such a spiritual intoxication leads to an ecstatic, plunge into violence, a "holy" violence, then a reasoning person may pause, and ponder what is lost, what is gained, and what is the damage done? Rather than focus on the internal realm of self, I concentrate, for now, on behavior. There are many 'interesting' things to learn about Islam only if one is willing to look beyond the prejudices. The more one studies and contemplates on the Quran and the world, the more one falls in love with God. It is intoxicating, it's an amazing feeling! -----Original Message----- From: Samiya Illias <samiyaill...@gmail.com> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Sat, Apr 19, 2014 11:10 am Subject: Re: cannabis, cancer and mechanism, and climate. There are many 'interesting' things to learn about Islam only if one is willing to look beyond the prejudices. The more one studies and contemplates on the Quran and the world, the more one falls in love with God. It is intoxicating, it's an amazing feeling! Samiya On 19-Apr-2014, at 6:12 pm, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: Interesting, however, religion itself can an intoxicant, with the promise of paradise with many, many, willing females, and wine is permitted, and eternal life, if one merely, throws caution to wind and becomes a shaheed. What are a few years in this valley of tears, compared to paradise? An intoxicant indeed for the faithful. In Islam, consumption of intoxicants are discouraged. The arabic word used for intoxicants, in the Quran, is al-khamr. The root alphabets of the word are kh-m-r which means to cover or hide something. Intoxicants, it implies, cover the intellect, and thus are discouraged -----Original Message----- From: Samiya Illias <samiyaill...@gmail.com> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Sat, Apr 19, 2014 2:42 am Subject: Re: cannabis, cancer and mechanism, and climate. The harmful effects of the consumption of intoxicants for the individual and its consequent effects on society are observable. The bans are in thus in the larger interest. However, if cannabis and other drugs have some medicinal benefits, then the research should continue to find the correct, beneficial use of them, as well as the side-effects. In Islam, consumption of intoxicants are discouraged. The arabic word used for intoxicants, in the Quran, is al-khamr. The root alphabets of the word are kh-m-r which means to cover or hide something. Intoxicants, it implies, cover the intellect, and thus are discouraged. It is explained: [Quran 2:219] They ask you about intoxicants and games of chance. Say: In both of them there is a great sin and means of profit for men, and their sin is greater than their profit... The word used for sin also means frustration; tiredness; laziness. Thus, I gather, both mind and body eventually suffer from the harmful effects of the intoxicant, and thus the negatives far outweigh the benefits. Initially, the believers were advised to pray when in a clear state of mind, and not when under the influence of intoxicants: : [Quran 4:43] O you who believe! do not go near prayer when you are Intoxicated until you know (well) what you say,... Gradually, they were exhorted to refrain from it altogether: [Quran 5:90] O ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling, (dedication of) stones, and (divination by) arrows, are an abomination,- of Satan's handwork: eschew such (abomination), that ye may prosper. References: [Quran 2:219] http://www.searchtruth.com/chapter_display_all.php?chapter=2 <http://www.searchtruth.com/chapter_display_all.php?chapter=2&from_verse=218&to_verse=220&mac=&translation_setting=1&show_yusufali=1&show_shakir=1&show_pickthal=1&show_mkhan=1&show_urdu=1> &from_verse=218&to_verse=220&mac=&translation_setting=1&show_yusufali=1&show_shakir=1&show_pickthal=1&show_mkhan=1&show_urdu=1 [Quran 4:43] http://www.searchtruth.com/chapter_display_all.php?chapter=4 <http://www.searchtruth.com/chapter_display_all.php?chapter=4&from_verse=42&to_verse=44&mac=&translation_setting=1&show_yusufali=1&show_shakir=1&show_pickthal=1&show_mkhan=1&show_urdu=1> &from_verse=42&to_verse=44&mac=&translation_setting=1&show_yusufali=1&show_shakir=1&show_pickthal=1&show_mkhan=1&show_urdu=1 [Quran 5:90] http://www.searchtruth.com/chapter_display_all.php?chapter=5 <http://www.searchtruth.com/chapter_display_all.php?chapter=5&from_verse=89&to_verse=92&mac=&translation_setting=1&show_yusufali=1&show_shakir=1&show_pickthal=1&show_mkhan=1&show_urdu=1> &from_verse=89&to_verse=92&mac=&translation_setting=1&show_yusufali=1&show_shakir=1&show_pickthal=1&show_mkhan=1&show_urdu=1 Samiya On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 3:52 AM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: On 4/18/2014 7:13 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: What society thinks has nothing to do with it, because weak correlation-based scientific evidence is used selectively to create laws that were desired a priori by some interest group. That implies some nefarious motive and corrupt use of data known to be wrong. In fact there was no nefarious 'interest group' that wanted to ban marijuana or to ban alcohol or to ban heroin. All these bans were initiated by people who believed in the ill effects of these substances for individuals and for society. In many cases they had personal experience. That the bans may have given rise to criminal activities to circumvent them, isn't to the point of their origin. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. 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