On 5/4/2014 3:25 PM, LizR wrote:
PS did I get that right about the queen being fed special stuff? My knowledge is also badly informed on many things...)

It think she's fed the special stuff, "royal jelly", as a larva; so it would be hard ascertain she "started as a normal worker" just by observation.

Brent



On 5 May 2014 10:24, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com <mailto:lizj...@gmail.com>> wrote:

    Yes, good point. It seems likely to me that people would notice that there 
was a
    queen bee who laid all the eggs, and perhaps make some assumptions based on 
that. If
    they noticed that the queen started as a normal worker but was fed special 
stuff to
    make her into the queen... well, people weren't stupid in those days! (Just 
badly
    informed on many matters)..

    In the interests of full disclosure, I should also quote the Bible.

    Proverbs <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Proverbs>, Chapter 6, verse 6: 
"Go to
    the ant, thou sluggard; consider *her *ways, and be wise".

    Worker ants are indeed female... and they too have queens... but as you say 
Samiya
    needs to show that this couldn't be ascertained, or reasonably assumed, by 
ancient
    people before he makes any claims about it being provided by divine 
inspiration
    (which I assume is his aim).


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