On Wednesday, June 18, 2014 11:54:17 PM UTC+1, Liz R wrote:
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> On 19 June 2014 02:01, <jr...@trexenterprises.com <javascript:>> wrote:
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>> My point is that the logic behind Einstein's special and general
>> relativity theories is faulty.
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> In what way is it faulty? SR is based on the principle that all 
> non-accelerating observers will see the same laws of physics. GR is based 
> on the principle that the laws of physics are the same for all freely 
> falling observers. What's wrong with the logic?
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>> Time does not slow down when you go fast and is not affected by gravity.
>> Clock speeds may be affected but not time.  Time passes at the same rate
>> everywhere in our Universe.
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> Did you look at the explanation of time dilation accessible from the link 
> I posted?
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> If not, here is a direct link to it ...  
> http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast162/Unit5/sr.html
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> Look in particular at the "photon clock" and tell me where the flaw in the 
> logic is. If you can do that (thereby beating thousands of people who've 
> tried over the century since SR was advanced) then it may become worthwhile 
> to consider Coulomb Grids as an alternative explanation
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p.s. addendum using this post (and the history behind it). I'm definitely 
not jumping on you Liz by the way, because you are definitely one of the 
people that, from my side of things, have become better and better in my 
eyes during the time I've been (not longer to remain I might add, if for 
nothing else due to levels of ostrasization now well past the level at 
which anyone would be able to justify ongoing attention for long). 

But, for reasons that were/are related to some of the interests I have been 
pursuing on these lists - this particular context not being a direct 
interest but more something changed or clarified from the norm. And 
mentioning here because in this case, the changes are much more about 
crystalizing what was already intuitive for the majority of people, I would 
strongly guess including you...

John Ross, who incidently I do agree deserves your kind attention due to 
much evidence of long term hard work at his end, however...unfortunately 
and possibly rather sadly....has clearly succumbed to one of the top 
risks we all face when our ideas  for whatever reason have been either 
exposed to isolated conditions for a long time.....or...I 
believe...circumstances a lot of celebrities understand all too 
well...which is about becoming exposed to the mind-set typically found in 
fan clubs. 

Exposure there just as harmful, because it's very hard not to be influenced 
by ambient ideas when they are coming from all direction. So that one, 
overlooked perhaps, can create the same basic properties that we see in Mr. 
Ross. Joining the two scenarios I might illustrate something like 
'domestication'.....due to another fleeting memory...I get them when I 
address you for some reason,..this one was one of those postcards with a 
silly drawing on the front and a joke caption. It was a bunch of salivating 
wolves peeping through a bush to wood frame 'outback' house with a dog 
sitting outside chained to a post. 

One wolf is saying to another "I'm telling ya, it ain't worth saving him no 
more...look at his eyes! HE'S BEEN DOMESTICATED

Anyway, in the Ross case it's a case of the more intuitive and well 
recognized status. He has built himself into something, that no matter the 
value of the original ideas...and there may be....also at some point began 
to include probably small, rationalizations...that may well have started 
out innocently as simplifications purely for thinking clearly about things, 
that were large and complicated, and which may not have had anything to do 
with the ideas at all. 

But rationalizing is one of those things that once in a process, if near 
the core of thinking even if not directly about the important thoughts 
themselves, will nevertheless be carried by the knock-on consequences 
perceived in the key ideas to other parts of the emergent structure of 
thought, until eventually at a certain distance from the origin,  thet 
rationalizations and their consequences will dominate the process, for that 
person. 

In the case of John Ross, the rationalizing make this process useless for 
him personally. So I say this just as a pointer, that I hope there's a 
personal value in play for you. Which there can well be, when someone is 
acclepted and on the inside of a human network, which is also substantially 
present and taking note, or potentially. 

But not for John. The best anyone can do for him, is wish him well in his 
journey, which definitely looks to have - at some point anyway - involved a 
large amount of the stuff that we tend to associate with good guys. Wish 
him well. Maybe he'll come out the other end with a stunning theory that 
changes the world. If he gets through that valley of the dead theory, all 
by his vulnerable little self. That's the way it. Can't change it for the 
better. Not for him. Can only make it worse...reduce his chances of making 
it through. 
 

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