From: everything-list@googlegroups.com
[mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 8:55 PM
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: AI Dooms Us
I think the only test we have available for consciousness etc (for computers or
people) is the good old Turing test. Once our AI starts killing of astronauts
because they may interfere with its main mission (I was always with HAL on this
one, what exactly was the point of those humans, again?) that looks like a good
point to stop arguing the finer details and start pulling out the memory cubes.
AI might also accelerate its development at such breakneck speed that it very
rapidly loses all interest in us, our planet, this galaxy, this particular
underlying “physical reality” (whatever that may turn out to be) and exit our
perceived universe into some other dimension beyond our reach or comprehension.
On 31 August 2014 15:35, Stephen Paul King <stephe...@provensecure.com> wrote:
Hi Chris,
Here is the thing. Does not the difficulty in creating a computational
simulation of the brain in action give you pause? Why are we assuming that the
AI will have a "mind" (program) that can be parsed by humans?
AFAIK, AGI (following Ben Goertzel's convention) will be completely
incomprehensible to us. If we are trying to figure out its "values", what could
we do better than to run the thing in a sandbox and let it interact in with
"test AI". Can we "prove" that is intelligent?
I don't think so! Unless we could somehow "mindmeld" with it and the
mindmeld results in a mutual "understanding", how could we have a proof. But
melding minds together is a hard thing to do....
On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 3:16 AM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
<everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com
[mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Paul King
Are our fears of AI running amuck and killing random persons based on unfounded
assumptions?
Perhaps, and I see your point.
However, am going to try to make the following case:
If we take AI as some emergent networked meta-system, arising in a non-linear,
fuzzy, non-demarcated manner from pre-existing (increasingly networked)
proto-AI smart systems (+vast repositories), such as already exist… and then
drill down through the code layers – through the logic (DNA) – embedded within
and characterizing all those sub systems, and factor in all the many conscious
and unconscious human assumptions and biases that exist throughout these deeply
layered systems… I would argue that what could emerge (& given the trajectory
will emerge fairly soon I think) will very much have our human fingerprints
sown all the way through its source code, its repositories, its injected
values. At least initially.
I am concerned by the kinds of “values” that are becoming encoded in sub-system
after sub-system, when the driving motivation for these layered complex
self-navigating, increasingly autonomous systems is to create untended killer
robots as well as social data mining smart agents to penetrate social networks
and identify targets. If this becomes the major part of the code base from
which AI emerges then isn’t it a fairly good reason to be concerned about the
software DNA of what could emerge? If the code base is driven by the desire to
establish and maintain a system characterized by having a highly centralized
and vertical social control, deep data mining defended by an army increasingly
comprised of autonomous mobile warbots… isn’t this a cause for concern?
But then -- admittedly -- who really knows how an emergent machine based
(probably highly networked) self-aware intelligence might evolve; my concern is
the initial conditions (algorithms etc.) we are embedding into the source code
from which an AI would emerge.
On Monday, August 25, 2014 3:20:24 PM UTC-4, cdemorsella wrote:
AI is being developed and funded primarily by agencies such as DARPA, NSA, DOD
(plus MIC contractors). After all smart drones with independent untended
warfighting capabilities offer a significant military advantage to the side
that possesses them. This is a guarantee that the wrong kind of
super-intelligence will come out of the process... a super-intelligent machine
devoted to the killing of "enemy" human beings (+ opposing drones I suppose as
well)
This does not bode well for a benign super-intelligence outcome does it?
_____
From: meekerdb <meek...@verizon.net>
To:
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: AI Dooms Us
Bostrom says, "If humanity had been sane and had our act together globally, the
sensible course of action would be to postpone development of superintelligence
until we figured out how to do so safely. And then maybe wait another
generation or two just to make sure that we hadn't overlooked some flaw in our
reasoning. And then do it -- and reap immense benefit. Unfortunately, we do not
have the ability to pause."
But maybe he's forgotten the Dark Ages. I think ISIS is working hard to
produce a pause.
Brent
On 8/25/2014 10:27 AM
Artificial Intelligence May Doom The Human Race Within A Century, Oxford
Professor
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/22/artificial-intelligence-oxford_n_5689858.html?ir=Science
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
"Everything List" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email
to everything-li...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
"Everything List" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email
to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google
Groups "Everything List" group.
To unsubscribe from this topic, visit
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/everything-list/YJeHJO5dNqQ/unsubscribe.
To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to
everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
--
Kindest Regards,
Stephen Paul King
Senior Researcher
Mobile: (864) 567-3099 <tel:%28864%29%20567-3099>
stephe...@provensecure.com
http://www.provensecure.us/
<http://m.c.lnkd.licdn.com/media/p/8/000/2c9/1ca/29d0ccd.png>
“This message (including any attachments) is intended only for the use of the
individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain information that
is non-public, proprietary, privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure
under applicable law or may be constituted as attorney work product. If you are
not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use,
dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly
prohibited. If you have received this message in error, notify sender
immediately and delete this message immediately.”
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
"Everything List" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email
to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
"Everything List" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email
to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
"Everything List" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email
to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.