On 8 November 2014 11:40, Bruce Kellett <bhkell...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

> LizR wrote:
>
>> On 7 November 2014 22:30, Bruce Kellett <bhkell...@optusnet.com.au
>> <mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.au>> wrote:
>>
>>     No, my main problem with identifying the expansion of the universe
>>     as the origin of the arrow of time is that the expansion of the
>>     universe really has essential zero impact on the everyday physics of
>>     our experience, but we see a consistent AoT associated with
>>     increasing entropy in every phenomenon of our everyday experience.
>>     Sure, what happened in the early universe has had lasting
>>     consequences for our everyday life, but any connection with the
>>     expansion is too remote to provide a plausible explanation of the
>>     consistency of our experience of time. So the increase of entropy
>>     itself -- whose universality is easily understood -- is itself the
>>     origin of the AoT.
>>
>>
>> So you don't think that the creation of bound states in the BB fireball
>> is a significant contribution to the entropy gradient?
>>
>
> No, and I don't really understand what you are trying to get at with this.


Well, the best thing to do if you don't understand something is to ask for
clarification! (I do that a lot...)

The point is that the existence of an AOT is partly derived from the
existence of bound states like nuclei. In a quark-gluon plasma at
equilibrium at a few trillion degrees, it is safe to say there is no
discernible AOT. All interactions occur with equal probability in either
time direction. But if you cool and spread out the plasma to the point
where nucleons can form, then you have objects which can participate in
entropic processes. So you have started to build the components necessary
for the existence of an AOT. Similar comments can be applied at lower
temperatures.

Several things are needed for an AOT. One is objects like atoms, which can
be arranged into low entropy states. Another is objects like nuclei that
are able to undergo energy-releasing processes. Nuclei are effectively
frozen chunks of negative entropy - a big contribution to the AOT which
didn't exist when they were a q-g plasma.

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