On 14 Nov 2014, at 13:33, Samiya Illias wrote:
On 14-Nov-2014, at 4:27 pm, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
On 14 Nov 2014, at 11:18, Samiya Illias wrote:
Liz, never mind. I know you only mean to state what you think is
correct.
If I may add a word of caution, please don't form or state
opinions about God. Perhaps, some day, you will be blessed with
faith, and then regret having said such things about God and
religion which you do not understand/appreciate yet, or worse,
faith is withheld from you because of it. Our eternity depends on
it, or so I believe.
Why don't you apply this (good) idea to yourself? Our eternity
might also depend on this, and the spiritual success of some
religion too.
Bruno
Do I opine about others beliefs and make fun of their faith? Can you
please point out some email of mine where I have been less than
respectful of anyone's religion or god(s)?
I am not arguing on your respect of the other, but on the fact that
you are using the Quran as an authority in the field of theology. The
Quran itself contains historical ad hominem remark, which in my
opinion might be blasphemous. Some passage seems well inspired, but
some verses do not seem genuine to me.
I did not make fun of your faith, but I am uneased by the use of any
authoritative argument, in any domain. I prefer to reason without
invoking revelations, because they mix the temporal and the atemporal.
It might be done for private purpose, but it is not valid in public
reasoning.
Bruno
Samiya
Samiya
On 14-Nov-2014, at 4:54 am, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, perhaps I phrased that badly. I'm willing to entertain
beliefs, without giving letting them move in.
On 14 November 2014 12:03, John Mikes <jami...@gmail.com> wrote:
Liz, I stopped 'trying' - I found the best one: the "agnostic"
belief = I dunno.
We don't, indeed. My belief consists of the existence
(potentiality?) of vast amount of 'knowables' we have no acces
to. Maybe not even the capabilities to catch'em.
That is the only 'faith' I carry. And - at 93 - I do not
experiment with new avenues for 'life'.
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 5:52 PM, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 14 November 2014 11:40, John Mikes <jami...@gmail.com> wrote:
Liz, I hope you do not want to mix Friedrich Nietzsche into this
back-and-forth! He was a believer, otherwise he could not
conclude that "God is dead".
It was just a pun. "As God wills" could be taken two different
ways, you see (at least it can if you have a twisted mind, like
what I have got).
I asked par5ticipants of several 'religions' about their VERY
FIRST encounter with the concept of God and received no answer.
The positive negatives were of the form:
"That must have bee God (or His action)". Assumed. Or on exaples.
Or on a Script presumed to have been written by God - exactly in
that langauge how it was read.
Yes, I believe the operative phrase is "Give me a boy before the
age of 5 and he'll be mine for life"
Now the i-phone software has to be written in some 120+
languages. Including many different alphabets. Well, things get
obsolete. Even the US Constitution with its 200 yo text baased on
a 3-500 yo philosophy (including the right to have slaves) just
for the purpose that those educated rich gentlemen should not be
forced to pay taxes to the king of England.
Indeed.
And there is that darn 'democracy' (I call it an oxymoron),
nowhere and never has it been practically established. It
includes the suppression of a minority and prctically the
totality of the people cannot fulfill the wish of all of them.
Yes it's been proved (I'm told) that these is no system of
democracy that can work as intended. As Churchill said, it's the
worst system we've tried (apart from all the other ones).
And then come the big joke: to propose to authoritarian religious
communities to become democratic.
Yes, this is a peculiar programme, just trying to impose your
worldview on others. Kind of the opposite of
"democracy" (envisaged as freedom). Much more to the point are
the rights of individuals to determine their own lives, however
that isn't going to happen while corporate interests are running
the world. Time for another revolution - maybe an electronic one
rather than cutting heads off this time?
So: P E A C E !
I wish. If we stopped spending on wars we could have utopia up
and running this time next week.
I propose to let our beloved friend be happy in her devoted
belief - I learned from her.
As if we have an alternative... :-)
John Mikes who tried several avenues of 'beliefs'
Me too, and indeed I am still doing so.
.
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