I like your use of the word calumny. An endless clash of civilization? Naw! But we do need to defend ourselves against the jihadi, and be able to retaliate, which is something you are totally against and have stated this, repeatedly. You are not anti-war, merely anti-US wars. If you were a true pacifist, you would logically be anti-war, across the board. You are not against Islamist attacks in the west, because you believe they are justified. This is where you cross the line comrade. Your true war is against middle America. As for solutions, you ain't interested, to put it mildly. You are seemingly very keen to be the agit-prop on this mailing list to cavil about anyone not following the party line. So go ahead, troll away!
-----Original Message----- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Sun, Jan 25, 2015 8:55 pm Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 4:40 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Well you make these declarative statements regarding what you feel is fit for this country, with your own list of who is naughty and nice, and yourself as chief judge of who is to be included, and who is to be cast out. This is so much like extreme Christian fundamentalists and your beloved, Islamists, that I wonder how drawn you might have been to tyranical ideologies. This, would explain a lot. It may come as a surprise to you but in a democratic system people have differences of opinion and do not always agree on policy. However when a yahoo like you begins to slander anyone who opposes their policy by accusing them of supporting the enemy – e.g. of committing treasonous acts – you have left the big tent of democratic debate and have instead chosen to support totalitarianism. Your support of the imposition of a totalitarian system – to crush dissent and a diversity of opinions -- makes you a self-declared enemy of the republic. It is by your actions and by your calumny of anyone who dares to disagree with your fanatical advocacy for an endless war that you define yourself as adhering to an extremist totalitarian political ideology. Crushing dissent is not the way of democracy; it is the preference of totalitarians the world over (and it does not matter much what philosophy they putatively espouse, it is by their actions and kind of argument that they can be recognized. You share more with ISIS and the world view of hatred that drives them than you do with the ideals of the Age of Enlightenment that are enshrined in the US constitution and recognized as being the founding principles upon which our republic is based. I have as little love of the Islamists as I have for you Mitch… you are cut from the same cloth. Both you and ISIS espouse totalitarian solutions. You are far more like them than you may realize. You hate them, but like ISIS, you seek to impose a totalitarian monolithic order in order to mount a clash of civilizations endless war. You are just like the psychopath ISIS thugs and criminals in this crucial sense. You are an enemy of our Republic because you choose to subvert the ideals upon which it is based. Instead I support our Constitution and the Republic it is the basis for. This is the basic difference between what you believe and what I believe. I fully expect you to continue with your calumny and call me all manner of things that I am not… for you to continue to try to insinuate that I some kind of traitor who supports terrorist groups (who you darkly suggest will be dealt with once your side sweeps to power) This continued and long standing behavior of yours Mitch, is why I view you as an enemy of our Republic and of the Constitution upon which it is based. I am here and I am not going anywhere, and I will not let you intimidate me into silence. -Chris -----Original Message----- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Sun, Jan 25, 2015 07:21 PM Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 3:56 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? No, not true. You basically want the US to fail, and collapse so that it will fall into the "correct" hands. You have zero criticism of Bamer's NSA, and you want us to sympathize with the Paris bombers. "They are only doing it because of the evil Americans!" Not really. What I am trying to subvert(?) is the unanswered propaganda spewed by yourself, with some occasional facts. You are adapting what you think is the language of conservatives and doing the old head-game romp. You remind me of the swinish, Michael Moore, who wrote a book some years ago, titled, "Where's my Country, Dude!" My instant reply to Moore, is that, "Your country is 90 miles off Miami, known as communist Cuba." Your opinions are pretty much in synch, with Moore's, Chris. You make accusations, but I quote history. This is mere technique. How will you purge me, comrade? You never answered. Mitch, you sound increasingly like a single issue troll…. on a mission, to drag the US into an unending clash of civilizations global war, accusing anyone who opposes your call to war of treasonous activity. You define yourself as an enemy of America and do so, by your own actions and adherence to an alien anti-American fascist ideology that is inimical to the core values our Republic stands for. I don’t need to purge you Mitch – you have outed yourself. -Chris -----Original Message----- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Sun, Jan 25, 2015 5:58 pm Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 2:13 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? Hee Hee! Still doing the Alinsky two-step? To be blunt, nobody did felatio better on Adolf's winkie back then, as your buddy, Joe Stalin did. Not, old man Kennedy, not even Neville Chamberlain performed as well. And Stalin ended up paying for it, or rather his half-murdered nation did. How will you expel me, or eradicate unwanted types like myself? Remember, those who fail to plan, plan to fail. :-D Mitch, you are an ignorant troll and the values you represent are antithetical to the values that the United States was founded on; you are an agent of an alien totalitarian ideology; a brown shirt tool of the enemies of our republic. You are an enemy of the US constitution and the republic that was founded upon those ideals. Fascists like you are trying to subvert our Republic from within and destroy it from within. You, continuously insinuate that I am consorting with enemies of the republic (e.g. committing treasonous acts) and question my patriotism, because I dare to oppose the mad ideology you represent! As a patriot I consider it my sacred duty to oppose brown-shirt tools of an alien and hostile ideology seeking to subvert the country I hold dear from within; you oppose the foundational ideals of America; you adhere to an ideology that would subvert the US Constitution and the republic founded upon it, imposing a totalitarian one party rule. Mitch, it is you, not I, who is un-American. -Chris Go to hell brown shirt, your kind has no place in America. -----Original Message----- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Sun, Jan 25, 2015 3:58 pm Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 12:12 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? Like the Beatles once intoned, "Carrying pictures of Chairman Mao, you're not going to make it with anyone, anyhow." Your carrying ideological water for the jihad brothers may make the state department smile, but if, and when, the shit hits the fan, people will remember who defended the Jihadists.Think of Charles Lindbergh and the German American Bund, circa 1941. And, there's the likelihood that most people will say, "At least under Bushie43, we felt safe." Go to hell brown shirt, your kind has no place in America. -----Original Message----- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Sun, Jan 25, 2015 2:35 pm Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 10:55 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > Yes, in fact, I very much have! I grew up witnessing it! Saigon 1975. I left 13 days before Saigon fell on the last non-military jet to leave. I was a teenager I had oppose the Vietnam War and thought it idiotic since about 1965, through pure luck I managed to avoid the draft and I would have never dreamed of volunteering. For years because of the war I said that Lyndon Johnson was the worst president in my lifetime, but now I think George W Bush has beaten him out. I also opposed the Iraq war. I was a kid and did not ask to witness that war either, but life had other plans for me, and I lived through a piece of history. Perhaps if you stopped reading talking points from a Faux News script you might begin to make a little sense. I hate Fox news and always have, their imbecilic Tea Party buddies too. I'm more of a MSNBC - New York Times sort of guy. Okay, but you sound that way when you go all reflexive and attribute all the violence in the Middle east and that spills over here to “them” having been offended by some cartoon, when the problems and issues run much deeper than that. > I heard what was said at my father’s all night curfew parties, by the > “diplomats” who were operating in Saigon Your father was a diplomat?! Wow, I never would have guessed that, obviously you didn't inherit the diplomatic gene; it's not just me, you can't seem to get along with anybody around here. I get along just fine with most people… it is mainly just you and Mitch (aka spudboy) who is in a category all by himself. I think you are over generalizing things a little. But yeah I never aspired to be a “diplomat”… after all I grew up witnessing the reality of how the game is played. My father was the kind of diplomat by the way, who was debriefed, at the end of his career, for six months in Langley Virginia (there is US agency that is headquartered there). We were put up in an old Virginia farm house that had been owned by the first president George Washington. That should give you a clue who he worked for and what he did and how much dirt he knew. He ended his career in Honduras in the 1980s, during the time Ambassador Negroponte was there, for anyone who is aware of the actual history being written there during that period that should tell you everything you need to know. > You may not like me, Well..., it doesn't exactly cement the bonds of friendship to express the wish that I get Alzheimer's disease and that "only then after your brain has fully and completely rotted into a plaque ridden mush does nature finally do the kindness of killing you off". It just doesn't seem very friendly to say that "an amusing thought" would be me "growing into a vegetative Alzheimer riddled sponge" and that "the thought still cracks me up with laughter" It does not help when you call me dumber than dog shit either John… please don’t make it out as if this has been a one sided stream of abuse. You have dished your fair share out at me whenever we disagree. Look I apologize about that remark to you – it was pointedly mean and carefully aimed at you, I do not actually wish that for you and even though I find you incredibly abrasive I can also see that you are an intelligent person. If you can accept my apology and move on from that. Perhaps you could also apologize for all the insulting words you hurled at me and were hurling at me before, during and after I said those mean things about you? -Chris John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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