The Turing test is one of these over- overrated things that modern people worship. A child may not pass the test. And even an adolescent. and a simple program such Eliza could pass it in some way. And it means absolutely nothing.
How modern people keep attached to myths fabricated and neglect that it is obviously myths was something beyond my understanding until I realized that men are ever the same everywhere. 2015-01-31 10:23 GMT+01:00 Bruno Marchal <[email protected]>: > > On 28 Jan 2015, at 10:52, LizR wrote: > > Machines (Humanly Constructed Artifacts) Cannot Think > <http://edge.org/response-detail/26060> > <http://edge.org/memberbio/arnold_trehub> > Arnold Trehub <http://edge.org/memberbio/arnold_trehub> > > > > Well, I have an answer to this one, at least. Humans are machines > > > > We don't know that. Of course it is a good default hypothesis as we don't > have evidences for the contrary (except the wave collapse, but we don't > have evidence for a wave collapse, actually). > > > - are, in fact, humanly constructed artifacts - hence whether machines can > think is the same as whether humans can think. > > > Well, obviously, Turing addressed the question of human made machine ... > by hand. he was a bit naive as he thought that it would take 50 years for a > machine to pass the test (if I remember well). > > But the test is a bit ambiguous. And if it does not last long, I can argue > that a non thinking machine could pass it too. In fact Turing's approach > here is a way to avoid the "hard problem of consciousness" (which is just > the antic mind-body problem). > > I am glad people learn more about Turing who was a great guy. Like > Copeland and Turing's mother, I am far from sure he commit suicide. > It would be nice if Emil Post, Kleene, Church and others were also > celebrate. The movie "imitation game" does not seem to mention the main > discovery of Turing: the universal machine/numbers alias the (universal) > computer. I have not (yet) seen it. > > Bruno > > > > > Has anyone seen "The Imitation Game" by the way? > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Alberto. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
