On 18 Apr 2015, at 06:07, meekerdb wrote:

On 4/17/2015 5:35 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote:
If you had an actual Turing machine and unlimited time, you could by brute force emulate everything. However, that is not the point. If you car needs a part replaced, you don't need to get a replacement exactly the same down to the quantum level. This is the case every machine, and there is no reason to believe biological machines are different: infinite precision parts would mean zero robustness.

I think you miss the point. If you want to emulate a car or a biological machine, then some classical level of exactness would suffice. But the issue is the wider program that wants to see the physical world in all its detail emerge from the digital computations of the dovetailer. If that is your goal, then you need to emulate the finest details of quantum mechanics. This latter is not possible on a Turing machine because of the theorem forbidding the cloning of a quantum state. Quantum mechanics is, after all, part of the physical world we observe.

But the goal is not to emulate an existing physical world, it's to instantiate a physical world as a computation.

Well, to recover the apperance of a physical worlds and its ability from a sum on computations in the UD.


There's no requirement to measure a quantum state and reproduce it.

The UD go through all digital quantum state. The UD "prepares" all quantum states, and is not obliged to duplicate them in the relative way. This can be used to derive non-cloning from arithmetic. If "matter" was duplicable, comp would be false.

Bruno




Brent

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