Hi, I've been watching this "if COMP is true then ...." discussion for over 10 years. In that time my thinking has evolved to the point where I can express what COMP now looks like to me, from my perspective.
Comp appears to be trivially true. That is, the resultant computing entity would be computing the entire universe and hence is simply pointless. It also appears to me that the computing entity would not be conscious for the same reason computed flight physics is not flight. There is an endless confusion operating here: The confusing of "the universe as computation" with "computing, with this universe, models of how the universe appears to us inside it". A deep map/territory confusion. I wrote a book on this. I am not going to spend any further on this because I know COMP is religion here and talking to the religious doesn't work. Witness 10 years and the same conversation is still going on. There is a fantastically detailed self-promulgating mental cage here in the comp argument. I for one am over it. I am building artificial brain and there is no computer involved at all. Comp is irrelevant in the real practice of the mission to make real AGI. When you _don't_ know anything about the universe, yet you are inside it and need to survive you need to survive based on fighting your own ignorance. So.... If you already know everything you can compute your way out of ignorance... But then you already know everything... So why bother? You can prove this argument experimentally. I intend, finally, to do this or at least organize this before I drop dead. Comp..... Imo trivially true and wasting the time of a lot of prodigious brains. That's where i am at, anyway. Thanks for listening. In another 10 years I'll see what it looks like again! Carry on. 😉. Cheers Colin -----Original Message----- From: "LizR" <lizj...@gmail.com> Sent: ‎6/‎05/‎2015 10:28 AM To: "everything-list@googlegroups.com" <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: The dovetailer disassembled On 6 May 2015 at 11:24, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: It seems to be a continuing problem on this list that "comp" is used for idea that parts of ones brain could be replaced with an equivalent digital device and preserve ones consciousness. That's a fairly widely held opinion. But then "comp" is also used to mean although consequences Bruno says follow, consequences which are not logical inferences, just a reductio. The two "comp's" are not the same. That's exactly right. Comp is simply short for the computational hypothesis - the idea that a computer programme could be conscious, and that human consciousness is at some level emulable by a computer programme. (This includes the possibility that the brain is a quantum computer, since a QC can be emulated by a classical computer.) Maybe we should distinguish "comp1" and "comp2" or "comp" and "Comp" (or "comp" and "Bruno's comp"...!) Bruno's claim is that comp2 follows from comp1, hence if one accepts comp1 and the ancillary assumptions, and one can't find a logical flaw in the argument linking them, one can feel free to conflate the two. (This is what Bruno has been known to do...) However it would still be nice to know which one someone has in mind. Lots of people are happy with comp1 but still don't find comp2 convincing, even though they can't spot a flaw in the logic. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
