> On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:07 pm, Bruce Kellett <bhkell...@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > Bruno Marchal wrote: >> On 09 Jun 2015, at 07:40, Bruce Kellett wrote: >>> >>> Given a set of axioms and some agreed rules of inference, the same results >>> always follow, regardless of by whom or at what time the application is >>> made. This is not what is usually referred to as "kicking back". Johnson >>> did not apply some axioms and rules of inference in answer to the >>> idealists, he kicked a stone. >> But people can kicked stone in dreams too. > > But do they wake up with broken or bruised toes? > > Bruce >
Often, yes. Dial up a few YouTube clips of people doing embarrassing and, yes, injurious things while under the influence of the “mistaken belief system we call sleep” aka sleepwalking or nocturnal ambulatory syndrome or whatever. Afer that you can watch the clip of the dog running while asleep and taking off into a bloody brick wall after which it “wakes up to the real world”. You only have to believe that you are awake or asleep. You will always believe what you tell yourself. The point of Bruno’s “people can kick stones in dreams too” is to acknowledge that consciousness cannot be extinguished with cheap excuses like being asleep or dead. Kim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
