On 10 Jun 2015, at 01:40, LizR wrote:

On 10 June 2015 at 11:38, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
On 6/9/2015 2:25 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 10:15 PM, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com> wrote:

> Super-intelligence is more resilient than human intelligence, so it is likely to last longer

Maybe, but I note that smarter than average humans seem to have higher than average rates of suicide too.

I wonder if this is because intelligence leads to depression or because it makes one more likely to research and correctly execute a viable method of suicide. Do you know if the rates are also higher on failed attempts?
According to most people on this list, they are ALL failed attempts.

Heehee.

(Or at least most people are willnig to entertain the possibility.)

Which is enough to doubt such kind of self-sampling assumption, which are based on ASSA (absolute self-sampling), which I thought was shown non valid (cf our old discussion on the doomsday argument).

Then what is super-intelligence? I doubt this make sense, or at the least should be made more precise.

I know it is counter-intuitive, or that I use perhaps a non standard notion of intelligence(*), but I think that intelligence is maximal with the virgin universal machine, or perhaps Löbian machine (but I am not sure), and then can only decrease.
The singularity is when the machine will supersede the human' stupidity.

I might think that animals are more intelligent than humans. May be plants are more intelligent than animals. But I guess people talk here about competence. This can grow, but is often used for stupid behavior. A human is an ape which torture other apes.

Bruno

(*) a machine is intelligent if it is not stupid, and a machine is stupid if she asserts that she is intelligent, or that she is stupid. (it makes pebble infinitely intelligent, I agree).



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