On 16 Aug 2015, at 21:52, John Mikes wrote:
Brent:
did it slip your mind that your friend, the prez started the Arab
Awakening by stabbing Mubarak in the back by his letter and
supporting the US-enemy Morsi ("The first DEMOCRATICALLY(?) elected
Egyptian prez and his Brotherhood!!!) together with his then Foreign
Sec'y Hillary, giving billions in weapons etc.
I agree, and he even threatened the Egyptians when they decide to put
back the army into power once they grasped the dark antisecular (and
anti-christian and anti-semite) motivation of the Muslim Brotherhood,
which is also responsible for aborting the Oslo peace treatise in
Palestine (Israel).
The politics of Obama in the Middle east consist almost in suppressing
secular power for radical pseudo-religious fanatics. And some speech
almost look like he is anti-zionist (which is for me squared anti-
semitism).
Then he made discourse on Islam, defending the "moderate Muslim". But
the expression "moderate Muslim" has been invented by the Brotherhood
itself. Moderate just means non-salafiste, but remain still again
secularism, christianism, jews, etc.
Then Obama signed the NDAA 2012. That was predicted by many, and I was
pretty sure that it was just "paranoid conspiracy". But I follow that
very closely, and during the night of the 31 december 2011, he signed,
and countersigned it too (promising not to apply it). Yet, he will
continue to use the patriot act, notably on Susan Lindauer
(whistleblowers of the CIA, allegedly).
- then again he stuffed the investors' etc. pockets with our health-
care billion dollars and
sent further hundredthousand Americans to their demise in the Middle
East (very few come home sane and safe)
and so on and on. But he is a religious(?) chap.
It is a puppet of the prohibitionists bandits, and the NDAA bill of
2012 is literally a confession of terrorism. If the NDAA was literally
applied, the top of the Obama and Bush administration should be the
first to be detained for indefinite period as they are legitimate
suspect of complicity of terrorism, given that the NDAA 2012 is a
terrorist clause. Obama could have said more simply "the terrorist
have won".
Since then I decided to study in detail the "official theory of 9/11.
The evidences of some complicity on the ground, and of some long term
preparation get much more numerous than the official doctrine.
Then, the subject became taboo (a sign of presence of lies to me) and
when you ask how could two plane crashes can lead to apparent control-
demolition, people categorize you in "defender of inside job" or
"conspiracy theorist" without ever mentioning that it might just be
the Islamist who could have done that planning in advance, may be with
very few "inside" accomplices. That is straw man.
Of course the fact that in 2015 cannabis is still schedule 1 is enough
to have few doubt in *some* conspiracy, and the book of Jack Herer is
quite convincing and rigorous on this. We knew since 1974 that THC
shrink tumor in mice brain cancer, and that the research has been
prevented to be pursued. That is criminal enough for me (that was done
at the time of Gerald Ford).
If 5 years of prohibition of alcohol give Al Capone, 70 years of
prohibition of cannabis and opium/heroin might very well have given
9/11 and ISIL. I have predicted more than 30 years ago that if
prohibition last, the planet would become a big "Chicago", and the
lies would develop in all directions, and I am afraid the facts
corroborate this (despite I have denied it to myself for more than 10
years: as it is only in 2011 that I realize that the war on terrorism
get the same look as the war on drug).
The fact that we keep relation with the Saudi, despite they have
prohibit atheism, or even any other religious opinion, in their
countries is striking.
Now, I still trust more the Americans than anyone else to eventually
bring all the light and put all the prohibitionists in jail, or
amnesty them properly. It might take some times though, but there is
no choice in the matter.
Note that I am not saying that 9/11 is an inside job. It can be an
outside job with some help from inside. The fact that there is no
inquest on this might be due to the will of hiding or protecting some
accomplice at a high level, not that it was a decision made at a high
level. Hiding scandal is a frequent human reaction.
Atheism is more than just absence of belief IMO: it requires a
supernatural to disbelief in it.
I agree, although it would be more precise to say that it requires a
*notion* of supernatural to disbelieve in it. (without that precision
people will find (straw man) counter-examples).
Now, many atheist want to count the agnostic on their side, and they
have enlarged the meaning of atheism to do that, but then the word
obliterates the gigantic gap between believe (Not God), and Not
Believe (God).
I look at a 'religiously motivated violence' with suspicion since I
still look for a fitting definition for 'religious'.
Me too. I oppose religion with institutionalized religion, like I
distinguish Health with possible Health politics, like I distinguish
genetic with political institutionalization of genetic (like in the
USSR).
Many religious people of any tradition agrees that the use of violence
in religion, like in science, is just the most opposite thing to
religion that we can conceive.
Now, it might be possible that some religion or some "sacred text",
especially if taken literally, can facilitate the earth/heaven
confusion blasphemy. I do think that some passage of the Quran (I read
the second part of it) are blasphemy, and I do think that the idea
that we cannot caricature the prophet as a blasphemy, like I do
consider the statement that Jesus is the son of God as, well either a
metaphor or a blasphemy.
I asked Samiya where does 'Satan' come into the picture in vain. IMO
every thinking person starts out with SOME belief (e.g. the
existence (reality?) of an infinite complexity we like to call
'WORLD'' of which we only know a small fraction.)
Yes, and that is basically the greek definition of God: the
transcendent (independent of us) reality..
Telmo's 'douchebag' is a criminal: he lured character-weak persons
into his casinos to take their money (legitimately!) and added it to
his billions. Every gambling Bigboss is a criminal. I saw too much
in my 93 years so far.
I am not an ''A"- THEIST, I am an ágnostic.
The definition of atheism changes all the time. I participate on many
Facebook discussions on this, and atheists generally disagree with
themselves on that matter. Wikipedia stabilizes a bit on this and give
the two definitions (strong atheism excludes agnostic, and we are not
atheist in that sense, the weak definition includes the agnostic and
we are both atheists in that weak sense). On some atheist group people
like what I say, but on others they behave like if I was their worst
enemy ... It is a bit like in my University in Brussels).
Bruno
JM
On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 4:32 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
On 8/9/2015 6:33 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
Brent, false! They killed to suppress religious belief, and
exterminate believers,
Nonsense. You've swallowed the religious propaganda. The killings
were purely punishment for opposing the regime or not working hard
enough for it.
and yes they were totalitarian and many atheists claim not to be.
They killed to support atheism, which is indisputable,
It's not only disputable, it's unevidenced. They didn't care what
people believed about the supernatural, just so they didn't oppose
the regime.
and out of loyalty to Mao, Stalin, and your pal Bamers, Oops! Did I
say that?
You mean President Obama, the guy passed universal health insurance
and ended U.S. occupation of Iraq and has avoided getting us into a
war in Egypt, Yemen, Libya, Syria, Ukraine and all those other
places you'd like send your fellow citizens to attack?
The bigger question is why doesn't religious belief or atheism
reduce violence?
Atheism is just and absence of belief, so it's not surprising that
it has little bearing on violence. It's only effect would be to
reduce religiously motivated violence, e.g. ISIS or the IRA.
Religious beliefs are all over the place, from,"Love everyone as
your brother." to "If they don't want to worship God kill them."
Brent
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