>----Messaggio originale----
>Da: "Brent Meeker" <meeke...@verizon.net>
>Data: 03/08/2016 8.49
>A: <everything-list@googlegroups.com>
>Ogg: Re: R: Re: Holiday Exercise
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>On 8/2/2016 11:37 PM, 'scerir' via Everything List wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> The suggestion that the one consciousness could inhabit more than one
physical
>> body does not predict telepathy -- it could merely indicate that
consciousness
>> is not localized to a single physical body, that it is non-local, for
instance.
>> Or, indeed, that physics is not fundamental but derivative on
consciousness.
>> Bruce
>>
>> This reminds me of Schroedinger. “The doctrine of identity can claim that
it
>> is clinched by the empirical fact that consciousness is never experienced
in
>> the plural, only in the singular. Not only has none of us even experienced
more
>> than one consciousness, but there is no trace of circumstantial evidence of
>> this even happening anywhere in the world” (much more in "What is Life?")
>
>But the question isn't whether the Helsinki man experiences two
>consciousnesses, it's whether he experiences one consciousness of two
>locations. You can already be conscious of two locations via
>television; it's just that your consciousness of one of the places is
>very limited because you get only visual perception of it and you can't
>act on it.
>
>Brent
Yes. I remember that, long time ago, David Finkelstein was also interested in
"introspective" systems. "There is, to be sure, a genuine problem in the
phenomenon of quantum measurement, but I will not discuss it here. It concerns
introspective systems, where subject = object so that the basic conception of a
single subject observing an ensemble of objects must be modified." -- David
Finkelstein in "The Physics of Logic" (in "Paradigms and Paradoxes", ed. R. G.
Colodny, 1971, Un. Pittsburgh, p. 60) . I wrote a short email and he responded.
"Weizsäcker proposed in conversation that in fact the observer divides into two
parts on such occasions, and then one observes the other as usual. When the
observer is outside the system, the measurement is represented by a time-
dependent interaction Hamiltonian. This would not make sense for self-
observation, but one can imagine a self-interaction governed by an internal
parameter instead of time." I'm writing that because to me consciousness may
have something to do with "introspective" systems.
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