On 28 May 2017 12:36 a.m., "John Clark" <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 6:18 PM, David Nyman <da...@davidnyman.com> wrote: > > >> What is >> actually >> being claimed is that consciousness is the way data feels when it is >> being processed >> . >> > > > > Data feels something? > Yes. > > > > Data feels something in a way? > Yes. Ah, now I see what you mean. Proof by repetitive assertion. > > > When 'it' is being processed? > Yes, but I don't understand why that pronoun is hiding inside quotation marks, the referent is clear. It can't be clear unless you can distinguish data from the particular physical relations that putatively instantiate it. And there simply is no canonical way of achieving this without the implicit assumption of a privileged interpretation from outside the system in question. > > > By what? > Processed by matter that obeys the laws of physics obviously. And how then is that supposed to produce a distinguishable outcome from the straightforward transition from one physical state to another? > > > I could continue. > Please do. The implication of the terms you use IMO rather too loosely above is a frequent focus of discussion in this list, if you are so inclined. David > >> >> You can argue if that is true or not but I think the claim itself is >> pretty clear, or at least as clear as things get when consciousness is >> involved. >> > > > > Frankly > > i > t's about as clear as mud. > > Which word didn't you understand? John K Clark > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
