On 13 Aug 2017, at 09:30, 'scerir' via Everything List wrote:




First person, second person, and third person are basically grammatical categories: first person, I/we, second person, you/you, third person, him/them. The third independent person plays a central role in the interpretation of perceptual evidence in terms of reliable conceptual models of the world. What
do you think 3p means?

Bruce


BTW, Shan Gao just published this paper
https://www.academia.
edu/34156349/ Failure_of_psychophysical_supervenience_in_Everetts_theory
'Failure of psychophysical superveniencein Everett’s theory'
(abstract) Psychophysical supervenience requires that the mental propertiesof a system cannot change without the change of its physical properties.For a system with many minds, the principle requires that the men-tal properties of each mind of the system cannot change without thechange of the physical properties of the system. In this paper, I arguethat Everett’s theory seems to violate this principle of psychophysicalsupervenience. The violation results from the three key assumptionsof the theory: (1) the completeness of the physical description by thewave function, (2) the linearity of the dynamics for the wave func-tion, and (3) multiplicity. For a post-measurement state with
twodecoherent result branches, multiplicity means that each result
branchcorresponds to a mindful observer, whose mental properties superveneon the branch, and in particular, whose mental content contains a def- inite record corresponding to the result branch. Under certain unitaryevolution which swaps the two result branches, the post-measurementstate does not change, and the completeness of the physical descriptionby the wave function then means that
the physical state of the com-posite system does not change. While the
linearity of the dynamicsfor the wave function requires that each result branch changes, andcorrespondingly the mental properties of the observer which superveneon the branch also change. Thus the principle of psychophysical su-
pervenience as defined above is violated by Everett’s theory.


I agree. Everett should take into account the self-referential logic, which are counter-intuitive.
I might read the paper, but I have not really much time now.



I did not read it but, maybe, it is about "identity" and "x-person"

Notion of "person" does not appear in the abstract. But I agree with the abstract.

I can say only that the title is correct, but for perhaps a different (simpler) reason, which does not contradict the possible explanation sketched in the abstract.

Bruno








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