On 18 Aug 2017, at 21:05, John Clark wrote:
On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 1:27 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>
wrote:
>> I tire of your homemade baby talk.
> Insult = lack of argument.
1-you = Homemade Baby Talk.
1-you refer to your subjective, first person, experience. It remains,
throughout the whole experience, an experience of being one person,
entire, seeing only one city. "the observer does not feel the split".
But I know you love homemade acronyms too so perhaps you prefer HBT.
Ad hominem.
>> All that is real nice but let me repeat the question that
I have asked 999 times and you have dodged 999 time: What one and
only one city will I see tomorrow?
> Washington or Moscow, each with a probability of 1/2.
That's the same thing you said BEFORE the duplication,
Indeed. I do the prediction lways before the experience. if not, it is
not a prediction.
now that the duplication Is long over is that STILL the best you can
say even now?
No, after the duplication, there is no more prediction. Only
verification if my bet was correct or not. You can look at the
detailed answer in previous post, for example the one by Quentin.
Regarding a coin, if the best we could say is "after the coin fell
and everybody observed how it landed it turned out it fell
heads or tails with a probability of 1/2" then the very
concept of probability would be utterly meaningless.
That is my point.
But we can do better than that, much better, we can say "it turned
out that after the coin was flipped in landed heads with 100%
certainty" with no need to add and any ifs ands or buts
whatsoever. That's because "how will the coin land after it is
flipped?" is a real question with a real answer, but "what one city
and only one city will I see after I am no longer one but have
become two?" is not a question and thus it obviously has no
answer, not today not tomorrow not ever.
You just rephrase the question in a strange way, but it is obvious
that when we assume mechanism, the question makes perfect sense. You
know with certainty (given what we have accepted) that after pushing
on the button, you (whoever you can possibly feel to be) will see only
one city, and this without knowing which one in Helsinki.
Bruno
John K Clark
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