On Saturday, December 9, 2017 at 2:31:48 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 12/9/2017 6:48 AM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 5:19:02 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 9:47:42 PM UTC, Brent wrote: >>> >>> When I took a series of classes in Artificial Intelliegence at UCLA in >>> the '70s the professor introducing the material of the first class >>> explained that, "Intelligence is whatever a computer can't do....yet." >>> >>> Brent >>> >> >> The fear of AI is that computers could eventually exhibit a >> characteristic reminiscent of "will" and exhibit it maliciously against >> humans. I suppose for you that's not a problem since, IIRC, you deny the >> existence of will. AG >> > > For a computer to be intelligent, and maybe even acquire some form of self > awareness, it must be able to re-script its data stack and even some of its > programming. The recent gains in AI have begun to push into this territory. > This would require some subtle work as this becomes more developed. The > system can't becomes trapped in self-referential loops, but it also may in > time require these be employed. A truncated form of self-reference, one > that diagonalizes a finite list, may permit a system to "pop out" of its > knowledge base. The system may then acquire unprovable truths in a > partially stochastic way. We obviously can't have systems that require an > infinite amount of information to perform Godelian trick, but we might be > able to approximate it. > > I suspect AI might learn how to become self aware by being interfaced with > human brains. > > > But note that humans are not self-aware in the sense you're > contemplating. They cannot consciously "re-script their data stack" or > programming. People are self-aware in that they have a model of themselves > in the world and in social relations. So one models oneself having > thoughts and other people having thoughts as part of ones model of the > world. > > Brent > > Learning is a case of rescripting a data stack. Dendrites that are pared back and built up in different ways are clearly a case of restructuring the computing system.
LC > 50 years from now I think much of humanity will have their brains > interlinked. This will mean that consciousness will no longer be a private > thing and that AI systems will acquire it as well. Where things go from > there is anyone's guess. Maybe the machines will steal our consciousness > and then discard us as useless. > > LC > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
