> On 29 Mar 2018, at 19:05, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote:
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> On Thursday, March 29, 2018 at 12:16:58 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote:
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> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 6:58 PM, <agrays...@gmail.com <javascript:>> wrote:
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> ​​>> ​And a brain in a glass box​ ​would't be isolated either, it would be 
> connected to the internet and ​a virtual body or a robot body or anything 
> else it wanted to be connected to. And the connections would be far more 
> information intensive than the meager connections brains now have. 
> 
> 
> ​> ​"It" wanted? But without a body "it" wouldn't exist.  Before this model 
> passes the smell test, you need a model that explains how "it" comes into 
> being, and where; that is, how it is localized. AG
> 
> ​As I said before all objections to uploading fall into 2 general 
> categories:​ 
> 
> ​1) Although it violates no laws of physics it would be vert hard to engineer 
> now and therefore it will always be very hard to engineer.
> 
> 2) It does not conform to some variation of the very silly Sacred Atoms 
> Theory.
> 
> Your objection falls into the second category.
> 
> John K Clark
> 
> You don't like the atomic theory of matter, for which there is abundant 
> empirical evidence,


There is evidence for physical atoms, but there is no evidence that physics 
describe the fundamental theory. That is just a metaphysical assumption which 
has been recently debunked. It simply does not work, unless you evacuate 
consciousness and first person from the picture.

Bruno



> fairly recently revised by quantum theory?  What would you replace it with; a 
> theory of information in the absence of atoms, molecules, etc.? What would 
> the founders of information theory think about your presumed proposal? AG
> 
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