> On 8 Jun 2018, at 13:10, Brent Meeker <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On 6/8/2018 3:54 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>> You confuse religion with argument per authority, and tat will continue as 
>> long as theology does not come back to science, which put reason before 
>> texts, and is modest in never claiming truth, but only means of testing 
>> ideas.
> 
> No, you are confusing religion and theology. 

OK. I do that sometimes. I try to use theology, the field. Religion means for 
me “conception of reality”, but its popular meaning is often impregnated with 
its current authoritarian trend.




> Very few religious people are theologians.  They believe things on faith 
> because they are told they are written in sacred texts.  It is a form of 
> social control which works fairly well. That is why it is so widespread. It 
> depends though on poisoning the minds of children with myths and elevating 
> faith without reason to a virtue.

I agree. Obviously that is not the religion or theology I am talking about. 

Bruno



> 
> Brent
> “When we come to believe, we have no desire to believe  anything else, for we 
> begin by believing that there is nothing else  which we have to believe….  I 
> warn people not to seek for anything  beyond what they came to believe, for 
> that was all they needed to  seek for. In the last resort,  however, it is 
> better for you to remain ignorant, for fear that you  come to know what you 
> should not know….  Let curiosity give place to  faith, and glory to 
> salvation. Let them at least be no hindrance, or  let them keep quiet.  To 
> know nothing against the Rule [of faith] is  to know everything.”
>     --- Tertullian
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