On 5/3/2019 6:06 AM, cloudver...@gmail.com wrote:


On Thursday, May 2, 2019 at 10:18:33 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:


    On 1 May 2019, at 19:58, cloud...@gmail.com <javascript:> wrote:



    On Wednesday, May 1, 2019 at 11:30:20 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:


        On 1 May 2019, at 10:56, cloud...@gmail.com wrote:



        By "heat" I just mean it as one studies it as a subject in a
        physics class, for example.
        - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat
        <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat>

        /Does all computation generate heat?/
        /
        /
        (Should be a simple enough question, I think.)

        Hmm… Not that simple. In the 1950s, Hao Wang has given the
        first proof that there exist universal machine working in a
        completely reversible way, without any erasing of
        information. Wang was a mathematical logicien, and his result
        was ignored.

        In 1961, Landauer, a physicist, working on the Maxwell Daemon
        problem, discovered that the only computational process that
        generates heat is the erasure. To erase 1 bit of information
        Landauer shows that you need to dissipate at least kTln(2)
        energy, with k the Boltzman constant and T the temperature.

        So, in principle, given Hao Wang + Landauer, we can build a
        machine doing computation without using, nor dissipating any
        energy, except for the start and ending of the computation.

        Then, most algorithm in quantum computing require full
        reversibility, and should work with very few amount of
        energy, except similarly for the local read and write, or
        starting vs stopping behaviour.

        Both from mechanism and physics, I conjecture that there is a
        core physical reality which is a BCI algebra, which means no
        erasure of information, and no duplication of information.
        This CANNOT be Turing universal, and it is unclear to me
        which of erasure and duplication can be truly physical. It is
        just well above the scope of the present knowledge of the
        machine’s physics to answer this, and among physicians, this
        leads to discussion of black hole, non cloning theorem, etc.
        Open problem for me.

        Of course, in arithmetic, no computation at all use energy,
        given that they use only the arithmetical truth, which are
        out of time and space, and any physical category. The physics
        emerge from this, as an invariant pattern for all Turing
        universal observation, defined by a sort of bet on first
        person experiences. Energy should be retrieved from that Core
        physics. I speculate that the Monster Group plays a role here.

        Bruno




        - @philipthrift


    In the curious case of quantum computation, it seems it may be
    the case that there is no heat generated until a "measurement" is
    made.

    Is that right?

    That is right, unless you are using a special quantum algorithm
    which does “measurement” during the computation. But if not, then
    the computation corresponds to a unitary, completely reversible,
    process, and no heat is generated.

    Bruno




A related question to my original ("Does all computation generate heat?"):

Does consciousness generate heat?

Conscious brains generate more than unconscious ones.

Brent

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