On 5/16/2019 1:54 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 9:00 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
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On 5/16/2019 5:52 AM, Philip Thrift wrote:
This is what I call one form of *consciousness denial*
https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2018/03/13/the-consciousness-deniers/
in that information processing absent actual
/first-class/ entities of qualia (or experiences) can only
produce zombies. One needs information processing operating in a
/material substrate/ where those entities are available to be
combined and manipulated.
You still need to explain why your elbow isn't conscious.
Before that we need to demonstrate that the elbow isn't
consciousness. E.g., it can exhibit reflexes to simuli without
involving the brain.
It's just an example. Let's not get caught up in hairsplitting. So if
you think exhibiting reflexes is the critereon for consciousness,
consider the example of someone who has held their breath for fifteen
minutes.
Brent
Jason
Brent
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On Thursday, May 16, 2019 at 7:05:53 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
The question is why does it supervene on the brain and not on
the elbow. What about the brain causes it to "make
experiences"? Most scientists think it is because the brain
does computations, i.e. information processing, which is more
extensive and complex that the elbow does. Which leads to
Bruno's argument that if it is the information processing
that produces mind, then mind can be instantiated by any
sufficiently complex computer+program. Since he believes in
arithmetical realism, and since all possible computations
exist implicitly in arithmetic, it follows that all possible
thoughts already exist in arithmetic and we can explain
reality as some particular subset of those thoughts.
Brent
On 5/16/2019 12:54 AM, Philip Thrift wrote:
On Wednesday, May 15, 2019 at 6:55:08 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
mind supervenes on the brain
Bruce
The heart* pumps blood.
The brain pumps experiences.
The brain is an experience pump!
* Actually it's more complex: blood cells are made in bone
marrow signaled by the kidneys and recycled by the spleen.
Do it's kidneys+marrow+spleen+heart that make and pump
blood. The brain makes and pumps experiences.
@philipthrift
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