You can clearly say that there are structures inside qualia, but the final quale is always singular. The highest quale that you experience is the present moment as such. And present moment as such, as a quale on its own, doesn't have another quale to compare with. So it shouldn't be possible to exist. The problem is related to the so-called "meta-cognition". Some people, including for example Bernardo Kustrap, say that you need to have meta-cognition in order to have any qualia at all. And they say that since animal don't have meta-cognition, they also don't have any qualia. But the problem is that if you take this theory for granted, then you also need meta-meta-cognition in order for meta-cognition to exist. And so on to infinity. So there must be something absolute, beyond relations.
On Thursday, 20 June 2019 14:59:10 UTC+3, Pierz wrote: > > > You overlook a lot of complexity when you make sweeping statements about > "the full experience of being conscious." Do you mean a person's full > experience in a given moment? Because surely that experience is an > aggregation of qualia, with both internal relations (say between red and > blue colour elements in the visual field), and relations with prior > experiences. For example the feeling I have when I look at my dog right now > is a highly complex aggregate of relationships with prior memories of her, > other dogs, with innumerable experiences too complex and various to mention > which are compressed into a kind of qualitative summary which is the > feeling I have looking at her. My experience of the current moment in its > totality is an inter-related collection of such relationships between the > current and prior moments and experiences. Does this network of > relationships in consciousness end at some primary irreducible atom of > consciousness with the intrinsic property of being conscious? I say no. I > say that that that web of relations ultimately merges into the infinite web > of relations that is the cosmos, a web that has no fundamental properties > that can be named or expressed in finite form. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/d623f0de-0f64-4a27-9a76-6a961ca24583%40googlegroups.com.
