> On 23 Jul 2019, at 20:26, Philip Thrift <cloudver...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, July 23, 2019 at 9:23:45 AM UTC-5, telmo wrote: > > > On Tue, Jul 23, 2019, at 14:15, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> On Tuesday, July 23, 2019 at 8:56:07 AM UTC-5, telmo wrote: >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 23, 2019, at 13:45, Philip Thrift wrote: >>> >>> Keep in mind there is no consciousness without matter. >> >> Is there matter without consciousness? >> >> Telmo. >> >> >> According to panpsychists, no. :) >> >> https://www.iep.utm.edu/panpsych/ <https://www.iep.utm.edu/panpsych/> > > I know :) > But panpsychists are still materialists. Which leads me to the tougher > question: does matter exist outside of first-person conscious experience? If > your answer is "yes", my follow-up question is quite predictable: how do you > know? > > Telmo. > > > > > There us no reason to know (and one cannot claim to know) anything whatsoever > outside of knowing one's selfhood. > > Anything else is just best-effort-guessing.
Right. What we can do is expressed those guess in the form of theories, and try to refute them, either by showing internal contradictions, or discrepancy with repeatable facts in nature. Bruno > > > @philipthrift > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/44f77c3b-d310-4b82-b03e-5037e8f7cefe%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/44f77c3b-d310-4b82-b03e-5037e8f7cefe%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/C9482B9B-103F-4190-9304-BC45624C349D%40ulb.ac.be.
