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Le mer. 25 sept. 2019 à 10:24, Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com> a écrit : > > > Le mer. 25 sept. 2019 à 10:21, Philip Thrift <cloudver...@gmail.com> a > écrit : > >> >> >> On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 3:00:52 AM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Le mer. 25 sept. 2019 à 09:55, Philip Thrift <cloud...@gmail.com> a >>> écrit : >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 1:25:58 AM UTC-5, stathisp wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, 25 Sep 2019 at 08:16, Philip Thrift <cloud...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Many Worlds leads Sean Carroll to speculate about the morality of >>>>>> duplicated selves when they bach off into other worlds. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sean Carroll >>>>>> @seanmcarroll >>>>>> https://twitter.com/seanmcarroll/status/1176617631408775168 >>>>>> >>>>>> *Congressional votes do not *cause* the wave function to branch, but >>>>>> unlikely quantum events can bring into existence branches where >>>>>> classically >>>>>> unlikely outcomes have occurred. A nucleus might decay in the right >>>>>> Representative's brain at just the right time, etc.* >>>>>> >>>>>> He asks: >>>>>> >>>>>> "If You Existed in Multiple Universes, How Would You Act In This One?" >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> https://lithub.com/if-you-existed-in-multiple-universes-how-would-you-act-in-this-one/ >>>>>> (From Something Deeply Hidden: Quantum Worlds and the Emergence of >>>>>> Spacetime by Sean Carroll) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> But he gives away the game here: >>>>>> >>>>>> "To each individual on some branch of the wave function, life goes on >>>>>> just as if they lived in a single world with truly stochastic quantum >>>>>> events." >>>>>> >>>>>> Maybe there's a Sean Carroll branch that loves stochasticity. >>>>>> >>>>>> Many Worlds (a religion, or quasi-religion, but not science) is >>>>>> fundamentally an anti-probabilities superstition. And anti-materialist as >>>>>> well. Those who think we are pure information - platotonist bits - have >>>>>> no >>>>>> problem with the idea of multiple copies of things here and now being >>>>>> made, >>>>>> because there is no new material needed. >>>>>> >>>>>> (The religious aspect of Many Worlds has been made apparent with the >>>>>> promotion - Carroll's own tweets, for example - of the book.) >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Pro-deterministic is not anti-probability. Also, pro-materialistic is >>>>> no less “religious” than anti-materialistic, since there is no way to know >>>>> that a true material world does or does not exist. When it comes to >>>>> deciding which interpretation of reality to prefer, one can either use >>>>> aesthetic considerations (Occam’s razor) or refuse to engage in >>>>> discussion. >>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>> Stathis Papaioannou >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> What I know is that *materials science* taught in universities, >>>> applied in technology companies. >>>> >>>> But *nonmaterials* "science" is taught in theology schools, and has no >>>> applications. >>>> >>>> >>> So what ? We're talking ontology/metaphysics here, so it has no >>> application... You don't use ontology to make things. >>> >>> Putting matter as primary is no less religious than if it is not, that's >>> all, so treating other religious regarding that is ridiculous. Of course >>> they are, as much as you are about matter being primary. >>> >>> Quentin >>> >>>> @philipthrift >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to everyth...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/36802602-a2a1-4b8f-96a6-3a289daf0e45%40googlegroups.com >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/36802602-a2a1-4b8f-96a6-3a289daf0e45%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. (Roy >>> Batty/Rutger Hauer) >>> >> >> >> >> >> "ontology/metaphysics ... has no application" >> >> Then it's a great idea to throw away or ignore all the books/articles >> that are ""ontology/metaphysics". >> > > You are on the everything list, whose goal is to talk about everything > theories/ideas *which are* about metaphysics/ontology, may I suggest that > you're on the wrong mailing list. > >> >> @philipthrift >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/3e477a0f-26b9-42cf-b114-94b3b7a22293%40googlegroups.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/3e477a0f-26b9-42cf-b114-94b3b7a22293%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > > > -- > All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. (Roy > Batty/Rutger Hauer) > -- All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. (Roy Batty/Rutger Hauer) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAMW2kApjZuz4W%2B0tESa0ebA2rHFzc97Oo%3DYTUd-c%2BxSS3xm17g%40mail.gmail.com.
