On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 1:11:21 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote:
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> On 11/5/2019 9:21 AM, smitra wrote: 
> > On 05-11-2019 02:53, Alan Grayson wrote: 
> >> IIUC, as the temperature rises, interference in the double slit C60 
> >> experiment declines, and eventually disappears. I don't think this is 
> >> really a which-way experiment because the interference disappears 
> >> whether or not which-way is observed. How does this effect the 
> >> collapse issue? Usually, IIUC, when interference ceases to exist, it 
> >> implies collapse of the wf. So, is the C60 double slit experiment 
> >> evidence for collapse of the wf? TIA, AG 
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> > Consider the C60 moving through one or the other slit and then ending 
> > up at some spot x on the screen. If the state of the rest of the 
> > universe when the C60 takes on slit is |A(x)> and it is |B(x)> if 
> > another slit is taken, then the interference pattern locally at spot x 
> > on the screen will be proportional to Re[<A(x)|B(x)>]. So, if there is 
> > perfect which way information for C60 that arrive in the neighborhood 
> > of spot x on the screen, then the two environmental states will be 
> > orthogonal and the interference will vanish. 
> > 
> > In case of the experiment in a thermal environment, the C60 will 
> > suffer collisions with photons. 
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> It's not collisions with photons from the environment.  The C60s are 
> heated in the experiment, so it is IR emission from the C60 that puts 
> which-way information into the environment. 


That's what I don't understand. If there's no detector focused on, or 
watching the slits, 
how can which-way information exist? All we observe is loss of interference 
without
which-way information. What can we conclude from this? AG
 

> The states |A> and |B> will be different due to these collisions, 
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> |A> and |B> are different ex hypothesi regardless of collisions or 
> emissions. 
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> Brent 
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> > as in every such case the state the universe ends up in will depend on 
> > which path the C60 took as the collision it suffered when it took one 
> > path would not have happened (instead another collision event at the 
> > another slit may have occurred).  As the temperature rises, the 
> > interference pattern will then fade away as the number of C60 
> > molecules that passed through without interactions near the slits will 
> > become small. 
> > 
> > Saibal 
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