On 5/2/2020 10:50 PM, Alan Grayson wrote:

    You mean to experimentally estimate it from the scatter of
    results?  That depends on how accurately you want to estimate. 
    The error scales as 1/sqrt(N).  In most experiments with photons
    or electrons, it's easy to make N big.  But it's also hard to
    eliminate other sources of scatter that have nothing to do with
    the UP.  So only experiments deliberately designed for maximum
    precision are going to push the UP bounds for simultaneous
    measurements.

    Brent


If the experiment is designed for max precision, how large does N have to be to satisfy the UP? TIA, AG

That doesn't quite make sense.  It takes two to get an estimate of the variance and the first two you measure may satisfy the UP or they may violate the NP.  The variance, and the std deviation estimators are random variables, obey a certain distribution.  The bigger N the tighter the estimate.  In almost all experiments there will be other sources of randomness and the estimate will converge around some uncertainty bigger than h, which is satisfying the UP.

Brent

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