On Saturday, May 23, 2020 at 12:06:33 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 5/22/2020 11:25 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Friday, May 22, 2020 at 11:03:40 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 5/22/2020 9:48 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, May 22, 2020 at 9:05:23 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 5/22/2020 6:26 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, May 18, 2020 at 3:28:40 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: >>>> >>>> Suppose the universe is a hyper-sphere, not expanding, and an observer >>>> travels on a closed loop and returns to his spatial starting point. His >>>> elapsed or proper time will be finite, but what is his coordinate time at >>>> the end of the journey? TIA, AG >>>> >>> >>> It's not a dumb question IMO. If you circumnavigate a spherical >>> non-expanding universe, what happens to coordinate time at the end of the >>> journey? Does something update the time coordinate? Or does it somehow >>> miraculously(?) remain fixed? TIA, AG >>> >>> >>> Are you supposing the universe is a 3-sphere? In that case It's just >>> like going around a circle. The degree marks on the circle are >>> coordinates, they have no physical meaning except to label points. So if >>> you walk around the circle you measure a certain distance (proper time) but >>> come back to the same point. >>> >>> Or are you supposing it's a 4-sphere so that all geodesics are closed >>> time-like curves? I don't know how that would work. I don't think there's >>> any solution of that form to Einstein's equations. >>> >>> Brent >>> >> >> I'm supposing a 4-sphere and (I think) closed time-like curves. The >> traveler returns presumably to his starting position, but is the time >> coordinate unchanged? AG >> >> >> I don't think there's any very sensible answer in that case. Goedel >> showed there can be solutions with closed time-like curves if the universe >> is rotating. But solutions of GR don't have any dynamic connection to >> matter and the entropy of matter. In the same spirit there could be a >> solution to quantum field theory that was close around the time like >> curve...in which case you'd experience "Groundhog Day"...including your >> thoughts. >> >> Brent >> > > What does entropy have to do with this problem? AG > > > Increasing entropy points the direction of time. > > Brent >
Let me pose the question another way: Is coordinate time ever updated? AG -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/1703af8d-eebd-4ac5-8ffc-172aa6936a1d%40googlegroups.com.
