> On 16 Aug 2020, at 15:24, Beixiao Robert Liu <b.robert....@gmail.com> wrote: > > In Buddhism teachings, a human has eight cognitions.
Oh! Like the universal machine. You get the cognitions mode by taking into account Gödel’s incompleteness. I abbreviate Gödel’s bewiesibar(‘p’) by []p, p is an arithmetical restricted to the partial computable/decidable one, the so called sigma_1 sentences: that’s the arithmetical version of the Digital Mechanist Hypothesis). <>p is an abbreviation of ~[]~p. “T” is for “0 = 0", f for “0 = 1”. In that case, it can be shown that p, []p, []p & p (theaetetus true opinion), []p & <>t and []p & <>t & p, are equivalent, but very few of those equivalence can be proved by the machine itself, making those five modes obeying different logics and mathematics. p []p []p & p Correspond nicely to Plotinus three primary hypostases ONE INTELLECT SOUL Or, with less platonic vocabulary TRUE BELIEVABLE KNOWABLE The modes []p & <>t []p & <>t & p Can be motivated through through experiments and defines what is observable by the universal machine. They can also be related to Plotinus platonic reconstruction of Aristotle’s theory of matter, pointing on the presence of non provability and non controllability. Those two modes gives the two “matters”: the intelligible matter (quanta, first person plural), and the sensible matter (qualia). The “quantum quanta” appears as special qualia (apparently). This gives five modes, but incompleteness splits again three of those logics ([]p, []p & <>t, []p & <>t & p) in two, ((corresponding to “provable” versus “true”, making eight "modes of cognition”, or eight ways arithmetic can see itself through universal numbers). The logic of the modes with the occurence of “& p”, gives first person modes, and describes entities which cannot be defined in any third person description, something inherited by the qualia, consciousness, etc. technically, they entail that the subject obeys some intuitionistic logic. The logic of the modes with “& <>t” gives the physical modes, and implies a quantum logic and some measure, corresponding to the machine’s ignorance on which computations support her (among an infinity). Recently, I realised that the existence of this measure exists and can be proved in ZF + some sufficiently large cardinal. The “& p” makes things non definable. The “<>t” makes things non provable, which allows the study of the negation of those modes, and things get subtle and counter-intuitive. > The first five are related to our physical world: sight, hearing, smell, > taste, touch. Of course, those should be obtained by the particularisation of some of the modes above, if we want to make this coherent with some school go Buddhism. The Hinayana, the Mahayana, the tantric, zen have many school, and variants. Some Buddhists have develop school on logics. It is rather complex. The Plato/Aristotle divide divides also Buddhism. > > Then there are three related to our spiritual world. > > The sixth cognition is our thinking and emotions. This is where our > repository of knowledge is located. All the human knowledge of philosophy, > science, technology, arts belongs to the sixth cognition. This includes > mental consciousness, sub-consciousness and these related concepts. Looks like []p, intellect, mind, ... > > Then the seventh and eighth senses are uniquely oriental and are near the > core theory of Buddhism. The eighth sense is easier to explain than the > seventh. > > The eighth sense is the “real-self”, or an inaccurate equivalent of “soul”, > that’s the constant between incarnations, regardless one’s life takes the > form of this human or that life being on earth. That becomes close to the simplest mode (conceptually), but that the machine can not defined the “p” mode. That’s Plotinus One :) But it might be []p & p (it depends of before or after illumination (“p <-> []p”). You need to take this with some grain of salt (but not the whole salt shaker!). > > The seven sense can be roughly said as something between the sixth cognition > - our day-to-day thinking - and the eighth cognition. The seventh cognition > enables us to perform all the deep and thorough thinking at the sixth > cognition level. Maybe []p & <>t? It is unclear. > > Therefore, according to Buddhism teachings, AI may venture into the realm of > the mental consciousness, but will never be able to reach the seventh and > eighth cognition. Really? > And that seventh and eight cognition is what distinguishes a life being from > a non life being. The universal machine is born illuminated, in the eight cognition mode, p. But then attached itself to some universal body/representation/number []p, and the laws of arithmetic are such that this one put an infinite mess in Arithmetic, and that is nothing compared to the mess when they met and multiply. I explain elsewhere why, if we assume the minimal amount of mechanism (Descartes) to make sense of Darwin, and a notion of finite information, + the Church Turing thesis, the mind body problem becomes a problem of reducing the “hallucination of matter” from the logic of self-reference. It works. It is not well known, and it is normal, given that behind the modes, you have the mood, and the mood today is almost everywhere Aristotelian, with few exception, since about 1500 years in Occident, 800 years in the Middle-East, and it is more complex to figure out in India and China. Thanks to Gödel and the logicians, the theology of machine is taught to logicians, but, not many realise, or appreciate, that as a platonic Pythagorean theory, it is testable (as it contains physics, or its invariant (for all universal machine) core). If interested I give you references, including good books on the mathematics of self-reference. The mode “[]p & p” is a standard variant of []p in the literature. Bruno > > > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Aug 16, 2020, at 5:02 AM, Alan Grayson <agrayson2...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> On Saturday, August 15, 2020 at 10:36:40 PM UTC-6, Beixiao Robert Liu wrote: >> Well, if the inquiry here concerns consciousness, then the question of >> whether a human should trust the AI, or whether the AI has the capacity to >> be trusted by a human, ought to be part of the inquiry, right? The movie >> listed others elements: compassion, sympathy, etc. I guess I was just using >> my wife’s off-the-cuff comment as a convenient way to suggest that Caleb >> might set the wrong threshold in his Turing test; and as a result, he gave a >> pass to the AI too easily, which later proved fatally wrong. >> >> Sorry. Maybe my comment was too flippant. I just don't think Caleb's mistake >> in trusting the AI relates to whether the AI is conscious. AG >> >>> On Aug 15, 2020, at 23:29, Alan Grayson <agrays...@gmail.com <>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, August 15, 2020 at 7:54:35 PM UTC-6, Beixiao Robert Liu wrote: >>> It’s available on YouTube. You could rent it for as little as $4, as long >>> as you finish viewing it within 2 days once your start playing. >>> >>> Thanks for recommending it. I just viewed it. My wife said that it’s stupid >>> for the boy to trust the AI girl, Ava, so he got what he deserved. >>> >>> Too funny! That's hardly the point. AG >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> > On Aug 15, 2020, at 21:26, Russell Standish <li...@hpcoders.com.au <>> >>> > wrote: >>> > >>> > Alas not available on Netflix Australia. It'll have to wait until >>> > if/when I subscribe to Amazon Prime briefly. >>> > >>> > I'm also not really prepared to purchase a VPN just to watch other >>> > countries' Netflix connections, for much the same reason as I only >>> > subscribe to one streamer - so it might have to wait until if/when I >>> > do live in a country that has it in the Netflix catalogue. >>> > >>> > The tangled web of movie copyright arrangements... Bah! >>> > >>> >> On Sat, Aug 15, 2020 at 02:23:52PM -0700, Alan Grayson wrote: >>> >> If you haven't viewed it, please do so. It's about the Turing Test, >>> >> science >>> >> fiction, but the "special effects" aren't primarily photographic bells >>> >> and >>> >> whistles, but the dialogue. the text, the logic of the script. Recently, >>> >> we >>> >> have argued about consciousness, what it is, and how we can test for it >>> >> in the >>> >> context of AI. I claimed that we could do some superficial surgery to >>> >> determine >>> >> whether the subject of the test was a robot or a conscious entity. But >>> >> this is >>> >> completely mistaken. All that that would reveal is whether the subject >>> >> was >>> >> artificial, not whether it was "conscious". The subject could have been >>> >> a black >>> >> box, and still showing signs of what we can't really define; >>> >> consciousness. I >>> >> think Ex Machina provides an answer of what we need to look for. Please >>> >> view it >>> >> and report back. But do NOT read the plot, say in Wiki. 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