> On 1 Nov 2020, at 19:32, Tomasz Rola <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> On Sun, Nov 01, 2020 at 09:50:16AM +0100, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>> 
>>> On 30 Oct 2020, at 11:42, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> And for the last three weeks the 18.7 acres around the White House has 
>>> reported more COVID-19 cases than the entire country of New Zealand, I 
>>> guess New Zealanders are just more civilized and competent than Americans.  
>>> 
>>> New Zealand votes to legalize euthanasia for terminally ill patients 
>>> <https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/30/asia/new-zealand-euthanasia-intl-hnk/index.html>
>> 
>> 
>> I have been an advocate of euthanasia for a long time, until the law
>> pass and in my country (Belgium), euthanasia has been fully
>> legalised. But then eight young person have been euthanazied for
>> reason of depression, without at least try salvia divinorum or
>> tabernanthe iboga, which are known to cure severe depression (for
>> published clinical trials).
> [...]
> 
> As you must be aware of, there is this school claiming that we are
> just like any other animals. I had, for years, seen this claim as
> somewhat dubious and made up, until it occurred to me that only we, of
> all known animals, invented calendars, writing, poetry and taxes. So
> to me the claim seems even more made up than before.
> 
> But, majority votes, more or less explicitly, and chooses to be
> treated as animals. Humanity down the drain. Maybe it should be my
> problem, but since this is what majority wants, so be it. Too bad
> minority gets the same treatment despite voting against it (or not
> voting at all).
> 
> Anyway, you know what they do to animals who cannot breed small
> healthy animals anymore. Such animals are useless. The owner needs to
> protect the herd.
> 
> I guess severe depression (or genetic traits leading to it) is
> hereditary.
> 
> As of helping a dying patient, I guess a compassionate doctor is all
> that such patient needs.
> 
> Compassion is a scarce resource in our world.
> 
> But the future, oh man, this is going to be bright. There will be only
> a handful of officially acknowledged genomes allowed. Mutants will be
> treated humanly with injection. There will be no Stalins and no
> Bachs. Well, all right, there will be no Bachs. Finally, a great
> harmony.

I am not sure I understand. Defending euthanasia is not defending murder, even 
if I point that euthanasia for medical reason makes no sense, and is close to 
murder when in presence of prohibition laws. Euthanasia is like mechanism: only 
you can say “yes”, or “no” to the doctor. Nobody should be allowed to think at 
your place about this.

Of course you raise the difficult question of the risk of future “eugenism”. 
Well, let us try not voting for nazis and alike...

Bruno



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