> On 9 Mar 2021, at 16:58, 'scerir' via Everything List > <everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > Yes, d'Espagnat (with Jammer) was one of my very best, in the 70s. > I agree. Max Jammer book “Philosophy of Quantum Mechanics” is very good too. His book “Einstein and Religion” is quite excellent too, in a related subject...
> But - since then - I'm in trouble. Maybe 'Quantum' is a language, nothing > more than a language. Efficient? > If it is a language, the question is what does that language refers too, and what or who does the conversation (in that language). The notion of language is too much general. You have the language, the theory, and the models of the theories. The logical notion of Model (and thus in the logicien sense) models (in the physicist sense) the notion of reality. A model of a theory T is a structure which satisfies the axioms and theorems of that theory. A group (in algebra) is a model of a theory of group, for example. Having said this, the quantum can be seen as a language. A sublanguage of the quantum is the language of biochemistry, and in that case, you and me are words in that language, making us into sort of divine hypotheses! Similarly, you can see all numbers as words, and the whole (sigma_1) arithmetic as a sort of conversation, but eventually, we can test if we are words/numbers by looking at the (startling consequences) like the interference of the many histories, and do experimental metaphysics (like Shimony said). Bruno >> Il 09/03/2021 14:50 Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> ha scritto: >> >> >> >>> On 15 Feb 2021, at 07:29, 'scerir' via Everything List >>> <everything-list@googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> wrote: >>> >>> I hope these links work >>> >>> https://www.amazon.it/Conceptual-Foundations-Quantum-Mechanics/dp/0198844697/ref=sr_1_1?__mk_it_IT=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&dchild=1&keywords=barrett+foundations&qid=1613369653&sr=8-1 >>> >>> <https://www.amazon.it/Conceptual-Foundations-Quantum-Mechanics/dp/0198844697/ref=sr_1_1?__mk_it_IT=%C5M%C5%17D%D5%D1&dchild=1&keywords=barrett+foundations&qid=1613369653&sr=8-1> >> >> I thought it was the book by Bernard d’Espagnat, with the same title. >> Barrett is usually rather good, but I would recommend the older book by >> d’Espagnat which is very good. >> The book by David Albert, (“Quantum Mechanics and Experience, Harvard”) >> despite being wrong on Everett is a very good introduction too, especially >> for non-mathematicians. >> >> Bruno >> >> >>> https://www.amazon.it/Quantum-Reality-Meaning-Mechanics-Theories-ebook/dp/B0851R2FY7/ref=sr_1_4?__mk_it_IT=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&dchild=1&keywords=baggott&qid=1613369882&sr=8-4 >>> >>> <https://www.amazon.it/Quantum-Reality-Meaning-Mechanics-Theories-ebook/dp/B0851R2FY7/ref=sr_1_4?__mk_it_IT=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&dchild=1&keywords=baggott&qid=1613369882&sr=8-4> >>> https://www.amazon.it/Foundations-Quantum-Theory-Classical-Concepts/dp/3319847384/ref=sr_1_1?__mk_it_IT=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&dchild=1&keywords=klaas+landsman&qid=1613370027&sr=8-1 >>> >>> <https://www.amazon.it/Foundations-Quantum-Theory-Classical-Concepts/dp/3319847384/ref=sr_1_1?__mk_it_IT=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&dchild=1&keywords=klaas+landsman&qid=1613370027&sr=8-1> >>> https://www.amazon.it/Quantum-Cookbook-Mathematical-Foundations-Mechanics/dp/0198827865/ref=sr_1_15?__mk_it_IT=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&dchild=1&keywords=baggott&qid=1613370234&sr=8-15 >>> >>> <https://www.amazon.it/Quantum-Cookbook-Mathematical-Foundations-Mechanics/dp/0198827865/ref=sr_1_15?__mk_it_IT=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&dchild=1&keywords=baggott&qid=1613370234&sr=8-15> >>> https://www.amazon.it/dp/3030400670/?coliid=I3FFGMO91H2EV4&colid=Y8V6GY7TI2R8&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it_im >>> >>> <https://www.amazon.it/dp/3030400670/?coliid=I3FFGMO91H2EV4&colid=Y8V6GY7TI2R8&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it_im> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/1842812156.87609.1613370581432%40mail1.libero.it >>> >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/1842812156.87609.1613370581432%40mail1.libero.it?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. >>> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/38CEE2A0-2221-4E58-AB3C-9A8884D20191%40ulb.ac.be >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/38CEE2A0-2221-4E58-AB3C-9A8884D20191%40ulb.ac.be?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. >> > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/223933153.248576.1615305528353%40mail1.libero.it > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/223933153.248576.1615305528353%40mail1.libero.it?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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