On 7/4/2021 5:14 PM, Jason Resch wrote:


On Sun, Jul 4, 2021, 6:54 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com <mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> wrote:


    On 7/4/2021 5:17 AM, Tomas Pales wrote:

    On Sunday, July 4, 2021 at 1:51:51 PM UTC+2 Bruce wrote:


        And in the two-outcome experiment, how do you ever get a
        probability different from 0.5 for each possible outcome?

        You would seem to be looking for a branch counting
        explanation of probability (self-locating uncertainty). But
        there is no mechanism in Everett or the Schrodinger
        equation to give anything other than a 50/50 split when only
        two outcomes are possible. This is wildly at variance with
        experience.


    In the classical example with balls you may have a collection of
    blue and red balls so there are only two possible outcomes of a
    random selection of a ball: blue and red. This doesn't mean that
    the proportion of blue and red balls in the collection must be
    50/50. Why would the proportion of branching worlds necessarily
    be 50/50 if there are only two possible outcomes?


    It's not that it's necessarily 50/50; it's that there's no
    mechanism for it being the values in the Schroedinger equation. In
    one world A happens.  In the other world B happens.  How does, for
    example, a 16:9 ratio get implemented.  There's nothing in
    Schroedinger's equation that assigns one of those numbers to one
    world or the other.  You can just make it an axiom.  Or
    equivalently, if you can show these are odds ratios, you can
    invoke Gleason's theorem as the only consistent probability
    measure.  But all that is extra stuff that MWI claims to avoid by
    just being pure Schroedinger equation evolution.

    Brent

Is this question unique to MW?

Do Copenhagen/GRW/QBism/Transactional/Bohm have any advantage(s) in explaining the Born rule?

Yes.  They don't pretend that all you need is the Schroedinger equation and linear evolution of the state.  They explicitly recognize that you need a probability interpretation to connect with observations.

Brent


I don't understand the problem that's unique to MW.

Jason


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