Pro-vaccine here, but am against vaxing an masks as some sort of loyalty oath to progressive run governments. Public health is obviously not a well-developed science as purported. For a year the idea of covid being a naturally evolved germ was promoted solidly by the CDC, the WHO, and progressives that comprise the media and most governments. This is now looking doubtful with the rise of delta and now other variants. There are also other considerations to be considered aside from mere numbers. For causes, there are effects. >From a new report from Nature. Rates of SARS-CoV-2 transmission and vaccination impact the fate of vaccine-resistant strains https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-95025-3 Potentially we are now breeding resistance. Is this true? Not sure, but simply relying of governmental, benefactors, for even telling the truth is not now a believable thing in all cases. The China origin thing, Fauci's connection with funding the Wuhan labs, Fauci's own decision to change his analysis from a 90% immunity percentile down to 75%, because he stated he "thought that the public couldn't take it," throws whatever people like him say, into reasonable doubt. So Bruno, why all the protests in France and Berlin the last 10 days. Are these merely white supremacists stirring up trouble? Might it be something more nuanced?
-----Original Message----- From: Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> To: Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Mon, Aug 2, 2021 9:56 am Subject: Re: Vaccine statistics People who claim that a vaccination mandate, or masks, constitute a threat for freedom are mocking those living in a genuine dictatorship and they have no ideas of what that means. If they were serious they would be in the street since the prohibition of medication laws, which is something putting liars into power and which is really threatening freedom and democracy. In fact, not vaccinate oneself during a pandemic is about the same as not respecting the speed limit in a city. It is a quasi criminal act hat endangered the others, and sometimes kill some of them. Vaccination is not a personal affair. Like limitation of speed, it is not so much to protect you from others, but to protect others from you. It is not a coincidence that those against vaccination are very often siding with Trump, which is the real threat against freedom and democracy. Bruno On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 1:38:56 AM UTC+2 Lawrence Crowell wrote: On Sunday, August 1, 2021 at 6:18:52 PM UTC-5 stathisp wrote: On Mon, 2 Aug 2021 at 09:01, Lawrence Crowell <goldenfield...@gmail.com> wrote: The real problem is that vaccinated people will have delta-Cov-Sar2 in them and they can pass it on to others. If everyone were vaccinated this would not be much of a problem, and in fact might be just a bit of added immune boosting. So we are now back to masking mandates, and I am going to have to buy another box of them tomorrow. It is deja vu all over again. A year ago we were in the same spot. Ironically, vaccinated people will have to wear masks for the benefit of those who don’t believe in vaccination and perhaps not in masks either. Mask mandates are back on at work tomorrow. Indeed, now that the δ variant is breakthrough, though asymptomatic for the vaccinated, we are back to trying to "lower the curve" with masking. This was what came in force just about a year ago. Oh well. I know which side of the fence I am glad to be on. LC LC On Sunday, August 1, 2021 at 9:36:06 AM UTC-5 johnk...@gmail.com wrote: I thought it might be useful to cut through some of the noise about breakthrough COVID-19 infections and give the latest statistics from the CDC. If you are fully vaccinated then you only have a 0.004% chance of becoming so ill from COVID-19 that you need to be hospitalized, and you have less than a 0.001% chance of dying from it. So these days if you do die of it you have no excuse and should be thoroughly embarrassed as well as being thoroughly dead; I'm certain your family will be embarrassed to admit that they're related to somebody who died from an advanced case of stupidity. Less than 0.001% of fully vaccinated Americans died after a Covid-19 breakthrough case John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-li...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/d57da2d7-b539-445d-af78-e5c877f0357fn%40googlegroups.com. -- Stathis Papaioannou -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/b540f128-e750-4a37-84d9-9e29e1746cb3n%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/509426703.2029022.1627949336911%40mail.yahoo.com.