Well, speaking as a trumpist, I would say the 'human' pov is essential, and I
would wholeheartedly agree with the suffering person, over the doctrinaire
religious teachings, IF that suffering person would benefit by my pity? That is
the questionable aspect, the IF??? For me, the afterlife-compensation belief
may have some benefit for many, and I would claim it's even more effective IF
based on the physics? This seems to work ok, for the atheist, as well as the
religious, or even those of us flailing in between. For many others the
"Apologist," writings may work? Maybe? For many more, not really. I am a
pragmatist so if anything can help the sufferer, I am good with it.
-----Original Message-----
From: Brent Meeker <meekerbr...@gmail.com>
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, Jul 11, 2022 5:40 pm
Subject: Re: Scriptural refutation of the Transhumanist Movement
On 7/11/2022 1:10 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
Part of it for some is notion that one cannot offend the Guy upstairs, or
invoke the wrath of one's fellows, whether a religion or ideology.
My personal favorite dream after I win the lotto, would be to pay a physicist
lots of money to come up with a scientifically plausible theory for God, the
afterlife, & and everything.
If it's a theory for God it must include miracles, since that's sort of the
defining power of God. Once there are miracles the physics of the theory is
complete. Of course there's the ethical question of whether one should worship
a God who's cruel and narcissistic, but that's not a question for a physicist,
nor a problem for a Trumpist.
Brent
The writer would be given the option to write on the frontispiece: "Look, I
believe this is bullshit, but I'm being paid lots of money to come up with
this, so yeah, I sold out. I am a loyal atheist, and don't care much for people
who waste their damn time thinking about a fantasy! But, I can find a good use
for the cash he's paying me, sooooo, sue me!"
In this manner, the physicist would be insulated from the wrath of his
employer and colleagues. "So fire me, I could use the vacation time going to
AAAS meetings, break my heart."
I mean this would be like a super Templeton Prize, but more profitable.
-----Original Message-----
From: Lawrence Crowell <goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com>
To: Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Jul 11, 2022 11:23 am
Subject: Re: Scriptural refutation of the Transhumanist Movement
On Monday, July 11, 2022 at 4:53:42 AM UTC-5 johnk...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 6:42 PM <spudb...@aol.com> wrote:
> Transhumanism isn't even about real world. It's about speculation about the
> real world
And the New Testament, the Torah, the Quran, the Book of Mormon, the
writings of L Ron Hubbard, and the authors of every other scientific ignoramus
who wrote "Holy Scriptures" are unimaginative speculations about an unreal
world.
John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis
tbb
These things are mythic narratives. As for travels and descriptions of
places in the world, sure there were travelers who told of these places. This
mentality is the antithesis of real thought. Bertrand Russel met Vladimir
Ilyich Lenin and was struck by how Lenin could not talk outside the bounds of
Marxist thinking. It was as if he was a prisoner of this ideology. Religion is
similar, it is a "mind forged manacle" the imprisons the mind so it can not
longer really think.
LC
uzp
On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 12:30 PM spudboy100 via Everything List
<everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> I don't see refutation of by scriptures,
I don't see why anybody should care what the scriptures have to say about
transhumanism given that they were written by members of a bronze age tribe who
didn't even know where the sun went at night; transhumanism is about the
physical world, how on Earth could anybody expect wisdom about that from them?
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