The difference here is the astronomers and physicists aren't just doing
rationality, they are using equipment to observe and measure. So, I tend to
lean heavily upon what they observe and measure Apologetics, is what people do
when the toss around ideas and have no budget to do observations and measuring
and testing.
The data obtained will not change no matter if the scientist is a
marxist-pagan, ,or a believing Christian. That is, if both are honest in
relating the facts of their work?
That's all on them. .
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From: Philip Benjamin <medinucl...@hotmail.com>
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Subject: RE: Physics? Ok Astronomers view 2 distant Water Worlds so following
the physics I ask..
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laws no physics. laws, no chemistry, no biology, no logic, no scince, no
business, no government, no language—no nothing!! Yes, even nothing has laws!!!
Matter and energy are all governed by laws. Laws of physics and chemistry
govern the properties of matter. If Dark-Matter is real, then it also MUST be
governed by LAWS—immutable LAWS. Laws cannot precede analytical intelligence.
Intelligence, which is an integral part of Personhood. Only a Person can be a
Lawgiver. An amorphous glob of SOMETHING is not Personhood. This is also he
issue of aseity. What is more rational—dead matter giving (trans-speciating)
LIFE, or is itETERNAL LIFE producing dead matter and life forms?
WAMP-the-Ingrate and other Marxist pagans are gropingin incognito territory, of
outer darkness!! Philip Benjamin Non-Conformist From:
everything-list@googlegroups.com <everything-list@googlegroups.com>On Behalf Of
Jason Resch
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 11:26 PM
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Physics? Ok Astronomers view 2 distant Water Worlds so following
the physics I ask.. On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 4:52 PM <spudboy...@aol.com>
wrote:
A well-covered essay you have there, Jason.
Thank you!
This almost goes to the essays by a few physicists which asks, "Are there any
laws?" I would say yes, or perhaps evolving laws in an evolving cosmos? But I
am not the astronomer or physicist.
https://bgr.com/science/the-laws-of-physics-dont-actually-exist-according-to-this-physicist/
I am quite partial to some of the ideas that the laws, as we see them, have
much to do with the kind of observers we happen to be. I have collected
numerous quotes from physicists who have thought along these lines here:
https://alwaysasking.com/why-does-anything-exist/#Why_Laws and here:
https://alwaysasking.com/why-does-anything-exist/#Observation_as_Fundamental
Here are a couple examples:
"The top down approach we have described leads to a profoundly different view
of cosmology, and the relation between cause and effect. Top down cosmology is
a framework in which one essentially traces the histories backwards, from a
spacelike surface at the present time. The no boundary histories of the
universe thus depend on what is being observed, contrary to the usual idea that
the universe has a unique, observer independent history. In some sense no
boundary initial conditions represent a sum over all possible initial states."
-- Stephen Hawking and Thomas Hertog in “Populating the landscape: A top-down
approach” (2006)
"It is an attempt to explain the Goldilocks factor by appealing to cosmic
self-consistency: the bio-friendly universe explains life even as life explains
the bio-friendly universe. […] Cosmic bio-friendliness is therefore the result
of a sort of quantum post-selection effect extended to the very laws of physics
themselves." -- Paul Davies in “The flexi-laws of physics” (2007)
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