On 1/7/2023 3:09 AM, John Clark wrote:
On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 1:13 AM Brent Meeker <meekerbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> we have never seen even a hint of ET or his engineering and
there are only 2 viable explanations for that:
*1)*For some unknown reason life is unable to make a
significant impact on the universe.
*2) *The observable universe is finite so somebody has to be
the first, and we are it.
> /Or *3)* No industrialized civilization lasts very long./
That's just part of #1, it's a proposed reason why life cannot make a
significant impact on the universe, and it doesn't explain why no
industrial civilization lasts very long. Most of the explanations for
the ephemeral nature of intelligence that I've heard, like war or
environmental change, are not very convincing;
Why is environmental change not convincing. It's easily seen as a
product of industrialization done without any global-unified response by
a bunch creatures that evolved to function in small tribes. It doesn't
even have to be an extinction event to prevent a significant impact on
the universe.
Even if human civilization continues another million years how do you
imagine us making a significant impact on the universe? Von Neumann
machines? It's certainly not inevitable that enough people will ever
care to build one.
the only one that seems a little more plausible is drug abuse by
beings that operate according to the laws of chemistry or electronic
abuse by beings that operate according to the laws of electronics.
Or developing artificial digital environments to the level that people
will explore all possible worlds without leaving this one.
Brent
If that's true then civilizations don't die in a bang or even in a
whimper of pain but in a moan of pleasure. I'm still hoping reason #2
is why we've seen no sign of ET.
John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis
<https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>
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