On 11/29/2023 11:23 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Thu, Nov 30, 2023, 12:19 AM Brent Meeker <meekerbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 11/29/2023 8:21 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Wed, Nov 29, 2023, 9:57 PM Brent Meeker
<meekerbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 11/29/2023 4:58 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Wed, Nov 29, 2023, 7:17 PM Bruce Kellett
<bhkellet...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 10:49 PM Stathis Papaioannou
<stath...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 at 12:34, Bruce Kellett
<bhkellet...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 12:02 PM Stathis
Papaioannou <stath...@gmail.com> wrote:
The Born rule allows you to calculate the
probability of what outcome you will see in
a Universe where all outcomes occur.
You are still conflating incompatible theories.
The Born rule is a rule for calculating
probabilities from the wave function -- it says
nothing about worlds or existence. MWI is a
theory about the existence of many worlds. These
theories are incompatible, and should not be
conflated.
“The Born rule is a rule for calculating
probabilities from the wave function -- it says
nothing about worlds or existence” -and- “MWI is a
theory about the existence of many worlds” are not
incompatible statements.
Perhaps that is the wrong way to look at it. The
linearity of the Schrodinger equation implies that the
individuals on all branches are the same: there is
nothing to distinguish one of them as "you" and the
others as mere shadows or zombies. In other words, they
are all "you". So you are the person on the branch with
all spins up and your probability of seeing this result
is one, since this branch certainly exists, and, by
linearity, "you" are the individual on that branch. This
is inconsistent with the claim that the Born rule gives
the probability that "you" will see some particular
result. As we have seen, the probability that "you" will
see all ups in one, whereas the Born probability for
this result is 1/2^N. These probability estimates are
incompatible.
According to relativity you exist in all times across your
lifespan (and all times are equally really).
Sez who?
Sez Einstein, Minkowski, C.W. Rietdijk, Kip Thorne, Briane
Greene, and Roger Penrose, to name a few.
Yes I'm sure you can find some Platonist to cite.
Are all of those physicists platonists?
Do you think that your future world-line exists?
Yes, but I further believe there's not just one unique future (but
many of them in the multiverse).
You take these images intended to help your mathematical
intution far too seriously.
You agreed with this at one point in time.
Can you quote me?
From this email and the one that follows:
https://groups.google.com/g/everything-list/c/jyB504QkIAs/m/0V0qGJO7Vj0J
"Yes. So why don't you recognize that "present place" is just a
label, exactly like a latitude and longitude - and then that "present
time" is a label, a coordinate time - which the diagrams I posted made
perfectly clear. The problem is that you seem to think "here and now"
implies a "there and now"; but "there and now" is ambiguous and is
RELATIVE to the state of motion."
"And just like "here" is relative to state of motion, so is "now". SR
isn't complicated, it
just takes a little adjustment before it's intuitive."
Perhaps I misinterpreted, but I took these quotes to mean you believed
the present was an indexical like "here" and is in no way privileged.
I don't recall what diagram was being referenced. But I have no problem
with talking about past (or even future) world lines. But I regard them
as constructs to help our thinking.
In any case, it's not a mere image, but a well accepted
implication of relativity.
Then you must believe that your future is as fixed as your past.
I have many futures and many pasts (compatible with my present state
of awareness).
So you, here and now, have many pasts. Is that a well accepted
implication of relativity?
Brent
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