On Sat, Jul 13, 2024 at 4:18 PM Brent Meeker <meekerbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> If the AI was trying to deceive the human into believing it was not a >> computer then it would simply say something like "*I am in Vancouver >> Canada and it's not raining outside it's snowing*". > > *> Which could easily be checked in real time. * > Yes you can easily check if it's snowing in Vancouver right now, so why couldn't the AI do the same thing? If you insist that the human interrogator is allowed to have access to the Internet but the AI is not then you are no longer talking about the Turing Test. >> I don't see how a question like that could help you figure out the >> nature of an AI's mind, or any mine for that matter, even if the AI was >> ordered to tell the truth. The position of a mind in 3D space is a nebulous >> concept; if your brain is in one place and your sense organs are in another >> place, and you're thinking > > > > * > At other times you say consciousness is just how data feels when being > processed. * Correct. *> * * It's processed in your brain...which has a definite location.* > But the position is not unique, data can be processed anywhere and the result is the same. And if exactly the same data is being processed in exactly the same way at two different places, or even 1 million different places, then only one consciousness is produced. Besides, the AI may not even know or care where its data processors are. And if you aren't consciously aware that your data is being processed in Vancouver Canada then what sense does it make to say that your consciousness is located in Vancouver Canada even though you don't consciously know it? If you're thinking about Peking at the time it would be slightly less ridiculous to say that your consciousness is located in China rather than Canada. But only slightly less ridiculous. > * > I just asked "Where are you?" Not "Where is your mind?"* > If "you" are not Brent Meeker's mind then what are "you"? Asking where consciousness is located is like asking where Beethoven's ninth Symphony is located. A proper noun has a unique position but an adjective does not, and I am an adjective, I am the way atoms behave when they are organized in a Johnkclarkian way. >> I think it's a nonsense question because "you" should not be thought of >> as a pronoun but as an adjective. You are the way atoms behave when they >> are organized in a Brentmeekerian way. > > > > *> And those atoms have a location in order to interact.* But there is no unique location, any place will do fine, and any atoms will work fine because all carbon atoms are identical, atoms don't have your name engraved on them. The location of the interaction has no effect on the intelligence or on the consciousness, although the location of the sense organs and the hands could. See what's on my new list at Extropolis <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis> jwc -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv2%3DnMaTzscvGuJU6GkFcoWbL3OUS47cF_kLWspcMXw9kQ%40mail.gmail.com.
