On Tuesday, November 12, 2024 at 2:29:19 PM UTC-7 Alan Grayson wrote:

On Tuesday, November 12, 2024 at 2:07:55 PM UTC-7 Brent Meeker wrote:




On 11/12/2024 4:45 AM, Alan Grayson wrote:

*When they started doing Bell experiments, around 1970, the results puzzled 
the experimenters. AG*


*I call B.S. on that.  Anybody who believed QM was correct got exactly what 
they expected.  Bell thought his experiment would prove that hidden 
variable theories were right.  What's your reference? *



*So Bell was wrong in his expectations because he didn't believe in QM? Is 
that your claim now? More important, since you previously acknowledged that 
some mystery remains despite what some vector in Hilbert space indicates, 
what exactly is the content of that mystery? TY, AG *



*So you dodged the demand for a reference, from which I conclude you made 
it up. Brent*


*And now you're a demonstrated BS artist. I asked you a simple question 
which you refuse to answer. Listen carefully; what I wrote was my 
IMPRESSION from discussions of Bell experiments, not something I read in a 
reference article. And if you read JC on this thread, he has the SAME 
impression, and I asked him the same question. I expect he won't dodge the 
question. AG* 


*To be more specific, I recently viewed a colloquium where Roger Penrose 
was a participate along with several other physicists in which advanced 
topics were discussed. One participant, whose name I cannot recall, claimed 
that because of Bell experiment results, we are on the verge of a major 
breakthough in our understanding of space. I lost the link when I had a 
problem with my computer. If I can find it, I'll post it. AG *

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