On 2024. Dec 7., Sat at 15:10, PGC <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Friday, December 6, 2024 at 6:15:36 PM UTC+1 Giulio Prisco wrote: > > On 2024. Dec 6., Fri at 15:27, PGC <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Moreover, the suggestion that the only way people can be exposed to > unconventional ideas is through platforms like Rogan’s is deeply cynical > and, ironically, elitist in its own way. It assumes that individuals lack > the curiosity or capacity to explore challenging ideas without a messianic > intermediary. Anybody with a library card—or even a basic internet > connection—can access the works of Roger Penrose or Ben Goertzel; or visit > some university course online or in person. *Elevating Rogan and popular > figures like him to godlike status as the sole gateway to these ideas, > while ignoring the problematic framing and biases inherent in their > platforms, is itself an argument rooted in the very elitism you claim to > oppose.* > > > Touché! This is a good point. > > > We agree on one point. Strangest thing to ever happen on this list. > Everybody, it can be done! >
Yes! I can kill some "woke" nonsense: The same critique of platforms like Joe > Rogan’s applies equally to establishments like *The New York Times* or > other influential media. > Exactly. At this moment I consider the flaws of the “right” a necessary counterbalance to those of the “left.” Of course we can negotiate, but there must be fairness and concessions on both sides. The claim of fact-checking as a safeguard is insufficient. Facts/proofs are > always relative to some theoretical framework, and the failure of all > sides—whether left, right, green, establishment, outsiders —to make their > frameworks explicit is deeply unscientific and intellectually dishonest. > > This highlights why reducing political discourse solely to pragmatism is > dangerous as history continues to demonstrate. Pragmatism alone evaluates > actions by their outcomes but neglects the underlying metaphysical > assumptions driving those actions. Politics cannot be judged merely on > "what it does"; it must also be scrutinized for the implicit models of > reality, human nature, and society that it operates from. Without this > clarity, we risk normalizing a form of pragmatic cynicism that absolves > opportunistic actors of accountability while enabling destructive policies > to persist. > > An atomic bomb, for instance, may be an incredible feat of engineering, > but the central question is who these engineers and decision-makers think > they are, what they think reality is, and how they perceive others. Without > interrogating these metaphysical assumptions, the decisions surrounding its > use become unmoored from ethical accountability. Justifying everything in > the name of self-defense for example... who defends the selves who will die > as a result? Will you pay their families compensation? Why are you entitled > to self-defense, but not your soldiers, their extended families etc. on > both sides? It’s not just about what we do or whether it “works” but > whether those wielding such power have the epistemic and moral clarity to > act responsibly. > > The same applies across the board. When media, politicians, or > institutions fail to make their assumptions explicit (and therefore keep > them shielded from criticism), we enable a culture where opportunistic > cynics, who always have easy answers, dominate; their actions excused by > appeals to allegedly the best outcomes, rather than principles. We cannot > afford to remain passive in this regard; scrutinizing the metaphysical > clarity—or lack thereof—in politics and media is not a luxury but a > necessity for safeguarding democratic and ethical governance. Hold them > accountable for what they assume and see if they can explain it to children > and adults without deflecting. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/21af2501-efbe-4a4c-ad49-5e072028ffa4n%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/21af2501-efbe-4a4c-ad49-5e072028ffa4n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAKTCJyeZ48gNubO5xwuc%2BGLyoZv%2BiPoMvPRHzS%3DcN3f-GKVx5A%40mail.gmail.com.
