If you can tap out Morse code with that appendage....I don't know if I
should be grossed out or impressed....

-----Original Message-----
From: Winterton, Robert K [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 11:31 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: BAGEL32.J Varient and ScanMail Engine.

that would depend on who used the telegraph before you did.

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Rachel Pickens
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 12:07 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: BAGEL32.J Varient and ScanMail Engine.


I don't think anyone ever got a virus off of a telegraph using Morse
code.



-----Original Message-----
From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 10:44 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: BAGEL32.J Varient and ScanMail Engine.

You can always print out the zip file and fax it.

-Peter


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Fyodorov, Andrey FTL
Sent: Thursday, 04 March, 2004 6:11
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: BAGEL32.J Varient and ScanMail Engine.


Dang... First Howard Stern gets removed from some radio stations, now
can't use zips anymore... Sounds like an end of an era.

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Durkee, Peter
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 4:21 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: BAGEL32.J Varient and ScanMail Engine.


Exactly...Antigen has been catching Bagle.J here without a problem, but
I suspect that if I were counting on its normal ability to remove pif or
exe files from inside the Bagle.J zip files, then I'd be disappointed.
I've gone to blocking all zips, just because so many of the new viruses
are using them, and the time when you're really vulnerable is when the
first wave comes ashore, before the scanners have been updated.

-Peter


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Alverson, Tom
Sent: Wednesday, 03 March, 2004 12:43
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: BAGEL32.J Varient and ScanMail Engine.


They probably added a signature for some of the bytes of the
encrypted/zipped virus (as well as different signatures for the expanded
version).  The whole anti-virus scanning thing works on finding a unique
pattern of data within the virus.

Tom 

-----Original Message-----
From: Dumke, Jane [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 2:59 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: BAGEL32.J Varient and ScanMail Engine.

A lot of discussion has been going on here on our campus with the theme
that password encrypted files can't be scanned.  So why are Bagle.H
variants being caught by ScanMail 6.2 for Exchange then?  Are they using
a heuristic to catch this instead of finding the actual virus pattern in
the file itself? 


Jane Dumke
Email Administrator
University of Wisconsin - Stevens Point <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
phone:(715)346-2463  fax:(715)346-4577 


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Chinnery, Paul
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 1:34 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: BAGEL32.J Varient and ScanMail Engine.

I just sent out an email to our users stating that for the forseeable
future, all zip files will be blocked.  That's gonna be a PITA. People
have really come to rely zipping files. (Although why someone would zip
a 500K Word doc down to 350K is beyond me.)

Paul Chinnery
Network Administrator
Mem Med Ctr


-----Original Message-----
From: Pfefferkorn, Pete (pfeffepe) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 1:26 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: BAGEL32.J Varient and ScanMail Engine.


I manually downloaded and updated both the engine as well as the new
pattern that has not been released yet.  I guess scanmail cannot scan
password encrypted attachments so back to blocking the Zips.  Sophos
does not scan password encrypted either.

-----Original Message-----
From: Chinnery, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 1:06 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: BAGEL32.J Varient and ScanMail Engine.

Are you sure about the engine?  Their sites says 6.810.  We got a couple
of the bagle.j come through.  Thankfully, Trend's desktop AV caught
them.

Paul Chinnery
Network Administrator
Mem Med Ctr


-----Original Message-----
From: Pfefferkorn, Pete (pfeffepe) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 9:46 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: BAGEL32.J Varient and ScanMail Engine.



I noticed that Trend has a new engine out there 6.860 and the manual
update does not update to that version.  It looks as if the new
BAGEL32.J variant got through on our system and I'm wondering if that
engine is required to catch it?

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