Actually, if you stop the store, and copy both the edb and all
associated logs, you can do a restore with it. To Exchange, its really
not any different than just restarting the services.

Now - if the file copies were done with Open File Agent's, I'd fully
expect issues.

--------------------------------------------------------------
Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis Inc.
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 10:38 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: PSS say eseutil over restore
> 
> "whenever ive had to restore from a "file copy" databse for 
> companies, the
> 1018 error was the light at the end of the tunnel."
> 
> Since when is file copies a good way to do restores? Of 
> course you will get
> errors and lose data.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of Chyka
> Robert
> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 10:22 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: PSS say eseutil over restore
> 
> here.... 
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;314917
> isinteg needs to be run after 1018..it is a page level error 
> most likely.
> it could be caused by hardware but the only time ive ever got 
> one is just in
> restoring and getting the database back being consistent with 
> the system.
> this is a good article that will describe it all.  it could be from
> hardware, but over 20 times for myself, it was never faulty hardware..
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 10:15 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: PSS say eseutil over restore
> 
> 
> Interesting. Every Microsoft article I've ever read[0] indicates that
> -1018 errors indicate a corrupt database and point to 
> hardware issues as
> the most likely cause. Hard repairs might resolve the errors after a
> couple of runs[1], but the resultant data loss isn't 
> something I'd want
> to subject my users to personally.[2]
> 
> [0] Like this one...
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/exchange/55/suppo
> rt/1018.ms
> px
> [1] By removing corrupt pages along with the associated mailbox data.
> [2] I won't even run on a database that has had -1018 erros. I'll move
> the users off if possible and delete it completely and create a new
> blank store.[3]
> [3] After resolving the hardware error that caused the -1018 error of
> course.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chyka Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Posted At: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 9:06 AM
> Posted To: swynk
> Conversation: PSS say eseutil over restore
> Subject: RE: PSS say eseutil over restore
> 
> whenever ive had to restore from a "file copy" databse for companies,
> the 1018 error was the light at the end of the tunnel.  there were 2
> more eseutil runs left to get the database and logs 'consistent' with
> each other.  it might be a hardware issue but it never has been for me
> since version 5.0 of exchange.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Missy Koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 9:57 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Re: PSS say eseutil over restore
> 
> 
> I would love to know how you know it definitely isn't a hardware
> problem.
> Every single time I've seen a -1018, it's been hardware - and the one
> time I
> did what you're suggesting, it bit me in the butt a week 
> later when the
> problem happened again.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Chyka Robert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 8:44 AM
> Subject: RE: PSS say eseutil over restore
> 
> 
> -1018 definately isnt a hardware issue.  use eseutil to put 
> the database
> and
> log files back in sync with each other.  i forgot the exact 
> switches but
> i
> will dig them up and send them over.  this is actually a good error
> after a
> restore because you are 2 steps away from getting everything back to
> normal..
> 
> Bob C.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 9:32 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: PSS say eseutil over restore
> 
> 
> You're into day 2? I'd seriously consider moving to an empty db and
> taking the restore effort to an offline server. You can then swap the
> databases at some point and exmerge out the smaller into the larger.
> 
> I will say that I've never seen a -1018 error that wasn't hardware
> related. I'm not sure how PSS came to the conclusion that hardware
> wasn't an issue here, but I'd seriously consider running any 
> and all low
> level hardware diagnostics you've got as well.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Boyd, Nathan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Posted At: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 6:33 AM
> Posted To: swynk
> Conversation: PSS say eseutil over restore
> Subject: RE: PSS say eseutil over restore
> 
> The information store will not start with the original database.  We
> went
> back to Fridays good backup, which worked but we then tried 
> to load the
> logs
> back in and it killed the server again.  Going back to the old restore
> with
> just the Friday logs now kills at the Directory Service, so PSS are
> going to
> be on the phone again.
> 
> In the background we were running the ESEUTIl on the original database
> and
> it just will not go further than the start.  Not that we were 
> interested
> in
> going that route.  If we can not get this database back on 
> the original
> server we will re-build it to another server we built in 
> anticipation of
> having to move the mailboxes, if all else fails we can access the
> corrupt
> database through powercontrols and could restore that information to a
> completely blank Exchange Server.  Not pretty but still 
> better than the
> ESEUTIL option, IMHO.
> 
> Any ideas that we have not thought of would be appreciated.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of Missy
> Koslosky
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 5:09 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Re: PSS say eseutil over restore
> 
> So the database won't mount at all?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Boyd, Nathan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 8:09 PM
> Subject: RE: PSS say eseutil over restore
> 
> 
> > The reason PSS came to this conclusion is we had done:
> >
> > A snapshot (SAN) of the database when we brought it down, and tried
> > re-mounting it after a bit of poking around by Microsoft.  
> We received
> a
> dr.
> > Watson and the logs showed it was failing while checking the tables.
> > A Full Restore from last backup with all the logs being 
> pushed after.
> We
> > received another Dr. Watson and again showed another error while
> populating
> > the tables.
> >
> > They got two different errors each time, but the PSS person is 100%
> certain
> > that the problem is a corruption in the tables and not hardware
> related.
> He
> > claims that in order to push the logs the database has to be more
> thorough
> > and check line by line and if any corruption exists it will 
> not allow
> the
> > process to continue.
> >
> > When I said that using ESEUTIL was a total disaster he 
> argued that we
> > basically don't know when the database was corrupt.  What is strange
> to me
> > is that I though BACKUP Exec checked each 4k table and we would not
> get
> > successful backups if it was corrupt
> >
> > We have about 1000 users on this server that is currently 
> down and the
> > database is over 50GB in size.
> >
> > We are currently following three scenarios to try and get this back,
> but
> if
> > we follow Microsoft's recommendation we will be down for 24-72 hours
> > running:
> >
> > Eseutil /p
> > Eseutil /d
> > ISINTEG PRI - FIX - TEST
> > INTINTEG Pub - FIX - TEST
> > And Exmerge
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Mick
> > Putley
> > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 4:37 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: PSS say eseutil over restore
> >
> > In my opinion this is bad advice, eseutil may well fix your database
> but
> in
> > the process it may discard pages that are damaged. It is very
> difficult to
> > know what has been thrown away in the process. Until in 3 
> months time
> your
> > CEO comes to and tell you that vital spreadsheet he has been storing
> in
> his
> > mailbox is missing. At least with a backup you can tell people what
> they
> > have lost.
> >
> > Mick
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Boyd,
> > Nathan
> > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 5:08 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: PSS say eseutil over restore
> >
> > Our group have just been working with PSS since yesterday afternoon
> and
> all
> > through the night to try and get our Exchange 5.5 server 
> back online.
> The
> > server was experiencing 1018s and blue screened Saturday night.  PSS
> this
> > morning told us they doubt it is hardware related and use Eseutil /p
> on a
> > Exchange server with good Backup Exec backups up until this 
> Saturday.
> >
> > Any else think this is a good idea?
> >
> > Nathan
> 
> 
> 
> 
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