Yoda confesses
"Trouble with grammar have I"
The Force is no help.


-Ben-
Ben M. Schorr, MVP-Outlook, CNA, MCPx3
Director of Information Services
Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert
http://www.hawaiilawyer.com


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:52 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question
> 
> 
> Yoda out today
> Couldn't take bad hair day
> Poor green old master
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Allan Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 10:31 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question
> 
> 
> understanding why
> bumblebees, pigs, flat birds fly
> ask Yoda you must
> 
> My whack at an answer on Haiku Fri.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 9:44 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question
> 
> 
> Time flies like a bird, fruit flies like a banana.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 9:37 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question
> 
> 
> Once again, this group is not focusing on the discussion.
> L = (1/2) d v2 s CL
> If you want to figure flying pigs into this equation, I'll 
> have to get back to you tomorrow.
> 
> You people are impossible.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 6:27 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question
> 
> 
> The same can be said here in the (somewhat) United States. 
> There has been a plague infesting honeybee hives for several 
> years now. Bee population numbers are falling into the 
> toilet, although I don't believe that the plague is having an 
> effect on Africanized bees.
> 
> John Matteson; Exchange Manager
> Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards
> (404) 239 - 2981
> 
> With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. - RFC 1925
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bendall, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 8:11 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question
> 
> 
> Pretty much as I understand the latest theory of bee flight 
> but put much better than I could have done. But it does prove 
> that the formula presented by Jennifer may not hold true for 
> everything that flies. However, is a deflated bird flying or 
> just a projectile being shot from some device?
> 
> Coming back to bees it is with great sadness to know that at 
> least the humble bumble bee in Britain is reducing in 
> numbers, no more honey for us!
> 
> Paul
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 04 January 2002 13:04
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question
> 
> 
> 
> Obviously bumble bees do fly but no fixed wing study in a 
> conventional wind tunnel has shown how enough lift can be 
> generated to lift the huge mass of a bumble bee (compared to 
> its wing size). A wide range of studies have been done in 
> recent years to try to understand the bee's unique method of flying.
> 
> 
> Insects like the bee do not flap their wings up and down as 
> one might think. The movement of their wings is forward and 
> backward. Lay your right hand on the table (palm down) and 
> move it to the left. That is what the bee does as the first 
> part of its wing beat. This movement produces lift because 
> your hand produces the same effect as an airplane wing. Air 
> moving over the top produces a low pressure because of the 
> greater curvature, a principal known as Bernoulli's 
> principal. Now flip your hand over (palm up) and return it to 
> its original position. 
> 
> Computer studies shown that the timing of the flip is 
> critical. The wake of the forward stroke allows the wing to 
> recapture energy as the wing is moved back. There is a surge 
> of forces on the wing as this happens which provides great 
> lift at minimal energy. Dr. Adrian Thomas of Oxford 
> University says, "The whole system is a lot more complicated 
> than we thought." A lot remains to be done to understand 
> this, but the maneuverability and efficiency of it indicates 
> man needs to understand to improve his own methods of flying. 
> 
> To suggest that such systems come about by chance strains 
> credibility to the limit. The enormous complexity of the 
> motion, the design of the wings to do the flying, and the 
> support system that moves the wing all speaks of highly 
> planned and designed structures that we still do not totally 
> understand.
> 
> 
> Does that answer your question?
> 
> Martin Tuip
> MVP Exchange
> Exchange 2000 Listowner
> www.exchange-mail.org
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bendall, Paul
> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 1:59 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question
> 
> 
> I am impressed with all this theory but to digress slightly, 
> can you explain how a bee flies?
> 
> Paul
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 04 January 2002 12:55
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question
> 
> 
> You forgot the cross wind factor.
> 
> 
> Martin Tuip
> MVP Exchange
> Exchange 2000 Listowner
> www.exchange-mail.org
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of 
> Jennifer Baker
> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 1:49 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question
> 
> 
> How fast does a deflated bird fly?
> 
> (Translated from Office XP Thesaurus)
> 
> If it's deflated then it's flat. Therefore:
> L = (1/2) d v2 s CL
> L = Lift, which must equal the Bird's weight in pounds 
> d = density of the air. This will change due to altitude.
> v = velocity of a flat bird expressed in feet per second 
> s = the wing area of the bird in square feet 
> CL = Coefficient of lift
> 
> Looks like you have left out L, d, s and cl.  Therefore it's 
> a trick question.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 8:29 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question
> 
> 
> What is the air speed velocity of an unladen sparrow?
> 
> Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP
> Tech Consultant
> Compaq Computer
> "There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral 
> problems."
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of 
> Daniel Chenault
> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 1:55 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Re: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question
> 
> 
> You asked three questions:
> What is your name?
> What is your quest?
> What is your favorite color?
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 3:38 PM
> Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question
> 
> 
> > You didnt answer my last question. ;)
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 4:14 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: Re: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: 
> RFC Question
> >
> >
> > After 5.5 SP2 the Received headers were counted. The limit 
> is set to 
> > 512 I believe (don't know if this can be changed). Does the RFC say 
> > what constitutes a trivial loop? Not really.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Andy David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:47 PM
> > Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: 
> RFC Question
> >
> >
> > > Since we are on this subject again, maybe someone can answer this 
> > > for me since I got nary a response last time:
> > >
> > > 6.2 Loop Detection
> > >
> > >    Simple counting of the number of "Received:" headers 
> in a message
> has
> > >    proven to be an effective, although rarely optimal, method of
> > >    detecting loops in mail systems.  SMTP servers using this
> technique
> > >    SHOULD use a large rejection threshold, normally at least 100
> > >    Received entries.  Whatever mechanisms are used, servers MUST
> contain
> > >    provisions for detecting and stopping trivial loops.
> > >
> > > What mechanism does Exchange use to detect and stop loops? What 
> > > constitutes a "trivial loop"? Are these stupid questions?
> > >
> > >
> > > Andy
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 3:21 PM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RE: Question from a troll to a Yoda
> > >
> > >
> > > If you take the time to read RFC2821 you can answer those 
> questions,
> 
> > > and many others for yourself. 
> http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2821.html
> > >
> > > Chris
> > > --
> > > Chris Scharff
> > > Senior Sales Engineer
> > > MessageOne
> > > If you can't measure, you can't manage!
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:29 PM
> > > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > > Subject: RE: Question from a troll to a Yoda
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > um... is it really not obvious?
> > > >
> > > > 1) There are too many recipients in the email (that's the TO:
> line)
> > > >      Whats the max amount would this be on the my server or the 
> > > > recievers server
> > > > 2) The email is larger than the message limit (that 
> means it's too
> > > > big)
> > > >      and what is the limit in size that someone can send out.
> > > > -- Drew
> > > > ********************************
> > > > Visit http://www.drewncapris.net!  Go!  Go there now! 
> "Each time a 
> > > > person stands up for an idea, or acts to improve the lot of 
> > > > others, or strikes out against injustice, (s)he sends 
> forth a tiny 
> > > > ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million 
> different 
> > > > centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a 
> current that 
> > > > can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and 
> resistance." 
> > > > --Robert F. Kennedy
> 
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