mmmm....
echo ....

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 3:13 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations


LOL!  Clearly you haven't been here as long as those of us who are now
thoroughly jaded.  Why do you think we revel in being sarcastic
smartasses?!?  At least it's a skill we can hone while typing out the
same answers over and over again.


-----Original Message-----
From: Joel Musheno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 4:17 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations


Wasn't there a big discussion about CA software culminating in that it
sucked a few days back?

-----Original Message-----
From: Mellott, Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 4:06 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations


I'll bite.
I saw a CA commercial on TV, it was advertising a new Backup software
for
them (forgot the name).

If one product doesn't always work? sell another? to help out.


-----Original Message-----
From: Milton R Dogg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 4:02 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations


Been around for a few years. This list is for a number of people
personal therapy. While Ripping on the guy that says Bricks with
archserv are the only way to go is super entertaining. Good point. Never
mind. Bring on someone to rip up. Going back to my movie now.

Milton R Dogg
Of The Dogg Foundation..

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Hunter, Lori
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:43 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations


LOL!  Clearly you haven't been here as long as those of us who are now
thoroughly jaded.  Why do you think we revel in being sarcastic
smartasses?!?  At least it's a skill we can hone while typing out the
same answers over and over again.

-----Original Message-----
From: Milton R Dogg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:37 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE:[idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations


I think once a week we need to post a list of links to the faq that
answer: AV, Backup, moving a server, upgrading, and why not to run
eseutil. Then we could have more time to answer real questions that
don't get asked 3 times a day.

Milton R Dogg
Of The Dogg Foundation..

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of William
Lefkovics
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:19 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Antivirus Suite recommendations


You're not buying the product.  You get a term license for its use.

Same with Antigen.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Hoffman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:14 PM
Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations


> I'm noting that CDW does have the NeaTSuite package for 250 users
> listed
at
> under $8000.  This is certainly a bit cheaper than NAI's package,
> however, what is Trend's licensing like?  NAI wants you to re-license 
> every two years.  How about Trend?  Is it similar?  Maybe I'll get 
> lucky and they
only
> want you to buy it ONCE?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:52 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations
>
>
> ...and they do have the funniest radio ads.
>
> I sympathize on your situation with NAI. We saw a similar price
> increase from them while actually reducing the number of nodes. I 
> looked at it as a good excuse to get some good software, Antigen in 
> our case.
>
> -Peter
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:50
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations
>
>
> So far CDW has been pretty good to me.  I've usually received product
> from them within a couple days of submitting a PO to them.  Again, not

> necessarily the cheapest place around, but ease of ordering and
> service
are
> still a big part of why I decide to purchase from them.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joel Musheno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:51 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations
>
>
> And they have gotten parts to me next day even when I ordered at 5.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:41 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations
>
>
> CDW...Not exactly the low cost specialists, but they always have what
> I am searching for on a moments notice.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:42 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations
>
>
> Most of the time, yes.  The quotes I got for NAI's suite were
> "supposedly" at a 42% discount, but wre still winding up at around $86

> a pop.  That's far
> too much for us to be paying.  I've been told that using one set of 
> products on the desktop and anotehr on the servers is a good idea, as 
> one
product
> may
> catch things that anothr does not.  That seems like a sound idea.  So,

> maybe my solution ought to be to look at Trend for the servers and 
> keep
things
> simple for my users and stick with McAfee on the desktops (so they
won't
> freak out, which they so often do with anything "new").  BTW, where
did
> you
> find that cost estimate?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:32 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations
>
>
> I found 150 Users, $4500....
>
> Don't you guys get some kind of discount, like schools?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Blackstone
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:30 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations
>
>
> 100 users is about 3300 list.
> Yes, it is all centrally managed. The server DL's that Dats, etc and
> then distributes them out. I dotn think you will find a more reliable 
> suite of
> products. Every one of them is awesome.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:29 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations
>
>
> Martin, since I have no experience with Trend, I assume that there are

> similar methods for updating workstations with the latest virus
> definitions and engine upgrades?  Is the cost reasonable?  
> Unfortunately, Ohio libraries
> (like us) are losing money this year due to state budget cuts.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:21 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations
>
>
> Well, for Exchange AV, Trend and Antigen are THE names.
> For a suite, I would definitely go with Trend.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:23 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Antivirus Suite recommendations
>
>
> Hello!
>
> Upon attempting to renew our license with NAI for our TVD suite, I've
> found that the cost of renewal is significantly greater ($8500 +) than

> what we originally purchased the suite for (around $3000).  Of course,

> we are going
> from 101 nodes to 175 nodes, but the jump in cost is enormous. 
> Therefore, I am looking for potential alternatives.  I know that there

> are other vendors
> that are noted as being worth looking into (Trend, AntiGen, etc.).
>
> Any suggestions then, especially in light of cost?  I'd really like to

> find something that might come in a whole lot closer to our original
> cost for TVD, plus the extra nodes we need (under 200).  It really is 
> important that
> the suite be able to handle integrating well with Exchange 5.5.
> Especially
> when it comes to attachment blocking.
>
> Thanks much!
>
> Matt Hoffman
>
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