But that analogy doesnt quite fit. You are required by law to have a license in order to drive. Companies who require certifications as a minimal standard for hiring are only cutting themselves off from many talented professionals.
-----Original Message----- From: Jerzy Setmajer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 10:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: RE: Cerification question I do not understand what is all the fuss about. I would like to point out that nobody here said that having a cert could hurt you. That means that it will be either ignored or it will help you. NO? Meaningless paper? Perhaps, but so is your driver's license. Does not mean you are a good driver, but you can't rent a car without it. Jerzy Setmajer > > From: "King, John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2002/05/02 Thu AM 10:41:39 EDT > To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: Cerification question > > I have been conducting all my interviews wrong..!!! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 10:35 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Cerification question > > > This may sound odd but there is one golden question that will tell you > exactly if the candidate will fit the group or not: "What are your > three favorite movies?" If the person likes similar movies as the > general team and sounds smart, than he/she is a good buy. > > Serdar Soysal > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Mynhier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 8:17 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Cerification question > > > I deal with (new and different) people daily who have "worked with > Exchange for years" but don't know their database from their check > file. I wouldn't let them within 20 feet of any Exchange server that I > worked on but they are the hired "Exchange expert" for their company. > The fact is that people are people, and certified people are not > inherently better than experienced people or vice versa. I think that > the best bet is the person who realizes that, regardless of how much > he knows, he does not know everything and is always willing and > wanting to learn more than he currently knows. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ray Zorz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Posted At: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:43 PM > Posted To: Exchange Discussion List > Conversation: Cerification question > Subject: RE: Cerification question > > > Very good points. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tim > Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:22 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Cerification question > > > You people talk like you can't have both. Sure there are some paper > MCSEs out there but there are also many MCSEs that have mucho > experience. Most hiring managers, all things being equal will look at > experience first but... then certs. Additionally while experience is > the best there are people that have worked in one environment for so > long that they know NOTHING about any other capabilities of the > hardware/software. They are nearly as bad as the paper MSCE because > the scope of their knowledge is so very limited and because of their > experience think the only way to run a network is the way they did it > at their last job. At least the Paper boyz know they are limited, are > willing to learn, cost half as much and don't cause half the drama the > "experience" guy does. They piss me off so much more, that and they > usually have no idea as to WHY their last network was set up that way > but that it is just the best way. 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