That would only be required to use all the functionality.  You'll be
able to use OL11 against your Linux-based mail server if you want. 


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-104116@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Blunt, James H
(Jim)
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 3:36 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook


MS is going to force us to go to a .NET/Titanium platform in order to
use
OL11?!

How freakin' stupid is that?  It's a great marketing strategy, but I
can't
believe that they wouldn't make it backwards compatible with E2k/E5.5.
Talk
about continually shooting yourself in the foot with your customers...

That's it!  I'm done playing!  I'm gonna move our whole organization to
one
Linux 8.0 server running CommuniGate Pro!  Phhhppptt!

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 3:22 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook


I am pretty sure you are correct.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Schorr [mailto:bms@;hawaiilawyer.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:16 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook


Yes, but I believe it requires Titanium on the server side too.  You
can't
run over HTTP against an Exchange 5.5 Server just because you have OL11.

Aloha,

-Ben-
Ben M. Schorr, MVP-Outlook, CNA, MCPx3
Director of Information Services
Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert
http://www.hawaiilawyer.com
>  
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:06 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> 
> Has it been announced?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 2:59 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook
> 
> 
> Something like MAPI over http as announced for Outlook 11?
> Maybe, but given the large install base of Outlook 97 still 
> out there, it would seem that an investment in VPN today 
> would have reasonable utility over the lifespan of the 
> hardware used to run it.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:53 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook
> > 
> > 
> > Hypothetically, if Microsoft came out with new technology
> that would
> > make MAPI obsolete (something like front-end/back-end OWA
> with all the
> > features of Outlook), would you then toss out the VPN and stop
> > charging customers for it?
> > 
> > I am still hoping that something like this will be
> available, but then
> > if I invest in VPN technologies it would be a waste of money.
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Julian Stone [mailto:julian.stone@;netstore.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:36 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook
> > 
> > 
> > We also "allow" Mapi across the internet, but with VPN systems for
> > those customers who are willing to pay for the added security.
> > 
> > Some customers have even requested & got non HTTPS OWA
> access, where
> > their password is sent in clear text !!
> > 
> > Yours,
> > 
> > Julian Stone
> > Exchange 2000 Consultant and Webmaster
> > 
> > Sent from Microsoft Exchange 2000 SP3 build 6249.4
> > 
> > Netstore - Europe's Leading Application Service Provider
> > 
> > Tel:    +44 (0) 1344 444349
> > Mobile: +44 (0) 7710 122 312
> > Fax:    +44 (0) 207 681 1238
> > Email:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > 
> > LOCATION: http://www.netstore.net/contact/location.htm
> > HomePage: http://www.netstore.net/
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com]
> > Sent: 30 October 2002 17:22 pm
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook
> > 
> > 
> > Been like this for 2 years now.
> > 
> > Of course I always look for ways to make it better and safer.
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:07 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook
> > 
> > 
> > When your goal is to sell as many seats as possible @ $9.95
> each, you
> > cut corners and customers get what they pay for.
> > Welcome to the wonderful world of capitalism.
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:44 AM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook
> > > 
> > > 
> > > But as an ASP wouldn't you just charge more for the
> > services???  Maybe
> > > I'm just being blind, but I would think one would want to
> provide a
> > > more secure solution.  Of course, added costs go with that
> > solution,
> > > but one would apply those costs to their clients I would think...
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:44 AM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I can seee some instances where the support costs related
> > to helping
> > > Windows 95 users install and configure VPN might make an
> > ASP shudder.
> > > InnerHost is certainly not the only ASP to provide Exchange
> > access in
> > > that manner.
> > > 


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