I don't think its ever worth the single piece of equipment failing,
obviously that's a serious concern.  The model of SAN we have been looking
at have redundancy built into them so I'm so much worried about the unit
failing as a whole.  "We" have voiced that but unfortunately money is also a
factor and they never think about downtime costs.  They want us to start
clustering also and they don't want to spend the money on the extra disk and
potentially have some of it wasted.

These are some of the problems you have when people other then the
network/servers people are making the roadmap.

Either way they have their hearts set on going to SAN.  We will probably
avoid putting our network servers(AD, DNS, AV, etc,.) on the SAN but almost
all the SQL/Oracle, Exchange, and file server stuff will go there.  Pretty
much anything they want us to cluster.

We do have all our mainframe stuff on its own SAN, for some reason they
don't like the network people touching it.  Even before I started working
here, old territorial boundaries I guess.

-----Original Message-----
From: John Allhiser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 9:43 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: the IBM Shark

Yeah.  That's why I mentioned the mainframe aspect.  I'm not too keen on
running large portions of our AD forest on it.
There was a murmuring among key higher-ups here to do the same thing while
running vmware on mainframe LPARs.   That was nipped in the bud after we
(network/server people) presented a cost comparison analysis on servers and
MS licensing vs. vmware, *nix, et cetera.
Eric, your talking about just the storage/access aspect.  It comes down to a
question of whether the initial savings is worth the potential problems of a
single piece of hardware handling multiple critical services.  


-----Original Message-----
From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 10:01 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: the IBM Shark


You're going to carve up the disks and share spindles with "critcal" servers
running high intensive databases? <snicker>

Good luck.

-----Original Message-----
From: Hansen, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 10:52 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: the IBM Shark


We plan on using it for our 17 "critical" servers and to cut the prices of
all the disk we have.  Mostly Windows/SQL, and some AIX and linux.  Out the
door we were going to start with 3tb so the rumor of a 3.36tb performance
boundary made me a little wary, but I'm not sure if there is any truth to
it.

e-

-----Original Message-----
From: John Allhiser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 8:47 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: the IBM Shark

As DASDI for os390/Zos mainframes they're great.
Not aware of the exact performance boundary.
What do you plan to use them for.

-----Original Message-----
From: Hansen, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 9:29 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: OT: the IBM Shark


Is anyone here happen to be running a IBM shark or possibly a Hitachi 9900
series SAN?  We are looking at both of these and I have heard rumors that
the shark has a performance boundary of 3.36 TB.  Just curious.

e-

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