...and some of us worked hard and got it without knowing of its existence. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I Tech Consultant hp Services Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Martin Blackstone Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 8:10 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Shortcuts to Outlook objects Oh please. I have things from vendors all over my desk. F5, Zones, Quest, Printer Ribbons Plus, MS, Dell, Compaq, Jack in the Box, etc. None of this stuff had nothing to do with being an MVP. I also don't do business with all those vendors. If you think I am going to be influenced by a 2.00 stuffed animal with a logo on it when I go to spend $10K or more, you are insane. People work hard to get that MVP and they work hard to keep it. We give of our own free time to help others who may not have the skill level or the knowledge to help themselves yet. Its help and training for them. If I can help someone shut down their open relay or stop virus's, I am helping myself in the long run. It is also VERY educational. My company reaps those rewards and encourages me to continue doing what I do. I'm not sure where you work, but where I work I am treated as a professional. It wasn't always like that here. I was shunned when I first started here because of their experience with past IT people. I earned their trust every step of the way. Now I am consulted on all levels and my work carries heavy weight here. One reason is because I am ethical. I stand by word and my word is golden. The other reason is because I am a professional. I give them honest, insightful an thoughtful opinions and responses. I also listen. I am open to ideas of others. I work for an MS centric shop. It was like that before I got here and it will be like that long after I am gone. But you cant do everything on MS products. If there is something that cant be done via MS, we find other products that may do the job. It doesn't have to be "The MS way or the highway" regardless of what you may think. -----Original Message----- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 7:50 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Shortcuts to Outlook objects So, you are going to tell me that you have never received any sort of compensation at all for being an MVP. I am talking T-Shirts, plastic toys, anything and even the TITLE of MVP. If you receive ANY FORM OF COMPENSATION, it is a conflict of interest. Plain and simple. Ask any lawyer if they are allowed to accept ANYTHING for free. The answer is absolutely not. In IT, it is a different story and the difference is because IT is a trade and lawyers are professionals. As long as we in IT continue to operate in this mode, we will be seen as trades-people, the air-conditioning repair guy or plumber, not professionals. The MVP program is a horrible, horrible insidious device that will help keep IT at the trade level. Plus, once you accept the title, you are now the property of the vendor. You will consciously or unconsciously have a bias toward that vendor and keeping that title. This means that you will not "tell it like it is" in public and instead voice concerns in private to your vendor. If you all want to be trades-people instead of professionals, then keep on with your MVP program. I tend to believe that the entire IT industry is irrevocably broken. Compare it to engineers, lawyers and other professionals and it does not stack up well. And that is sad, because we could be professional, but we have no ethics. > I'm very interested to know what secret compensation he is speaking > of. Deckler, care to elaborate? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 7:22 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Shortcuts to Outlook objects > > > Yeah. You should see the developers run whenever Chris starts walking > towards them. > > Andy, you forgot to tell me about that "direct compensation" you get > for being an MVP. Unless he's talking about that t-shirt? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 9:11 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: Re: Shortcuts to Outlook objects > > > lol > Thanks for the good laugh. > I have found that the harshest critics of Microsoft products are the > MVPS themselves. > > Andy David > Microsoft MVP. > There, is that better? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greg Deckler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 9:05 AM > Subject: RE: Shortcuts to Outlook objects > > > > My point is that it serves no useful purpose to cast aspersions as > > to people's attitudes and motivations because everyone is biased in > > one way or another. > > > > I believe that this is really systemic with regards to the problems > > of the IT industry as a whole. The entire industry is vendor and > > tool focused and that is a huge problem in IT. It tends to polarize > > people such that everyone is grouped into two categories, people > > that hate a particular vendor or tool and people that love a > > particular vendor or tool. This is just plain stupid. > > > > The IT industry has some fundamental problems. Microsoft, as part of > > that industry suffers from some of the same problems as well as some > > of their own unique deficiencies. Novell has their own unique issues, > > so does IBM and so does every other vendor in this space. But it seems > > that you cannot point out these deficiencies without people > > categorizing and stereotyping you in one way or another. I reject > > that. > > > > I hate all vendors of software tools equally. I find this an > > absolute requirement to provide true, unbiased consulting services. > > If you were to follow my posts on a GroupWise board or a Notes > > board, you would see me make similar arguments regarding the > > deficiencies of their products and company. However, since I make > > most of my revenue from Microsoft products and Exchange, I tend to > > be more active in that area. > > > > And the other thing that REALLY chaps me is people that cast > > aspersions on others without fessing up to their own biases. MVP's are > > the worst of this lot. They secretly get direct compensation from > > Microsoft and then try to pass themselves off as unbiased. But you > > look at their posts and it is obvious that they are simply paid > > advocates for Microsoft and part of their responsibility is to vilify > > anyone that says anything negative with regards to Microsoft. And > > these are the same people that list every last certification and other > > acronym that they can paste onto the end of their sig, but you never > > see Microsoft MVP. I wonder why? Microsoft asked me to become an MVP > > and I told them to go jump in a lake. More people need to take this > > approach and be true consultants, not advocates. > > > > > Are you saying that your own interpretation of your own attitude > > > is unbiased? Or that your own evaluation of whether or not your > > > paranioa about how Microsoft are out to get you is unbiased? > > > > > > Rob > > > Also an MVP by the way. > > > Want to throw some mud at me too? > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]=20 > > > > Sent: 07 February 2003 11:43 > > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > Subject: RE: Shortcuts to Outlook objects > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > > And Ed, if I am not mistaken, you are also a Microsoft MVP,=20 > > > >so whose interpretation is unbiased, mine or yours? =20 > > > > > I continue to believe my interpretation of your attitude is > > > > >more=20 accurate than your defense thereof. =20 > > > > > Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I > > > > > Tech Consultant > > > > > hp Services > > > > > Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! > > > > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _________________________________________________________________ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
