You could present the various exact scenarios you hoped clustering exchange would help 
with and let the group kick around a discussion over if it would actually help and by 
how much.

        -----Original Message----- 
        From: Finch Brett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
        Sent: Thu 05/06/2003 22:45 
        To: Exchange Discussions 
        Cc: 
        Subject: RE: Real world experience
        
        

         Ok thanks, seems like the ideology of bringing servers online as mailbox's
        increase. I haven't heard any other alternative.
        
        -----Original Message-----
        From: Stephen Mynhier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
        Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 15:34
        To: Exchange Discussions
        Subject: RE: Real world experience
        
        
        Just left an HP session at TechEd.  Although there were obviously
        vendor-specified disclaimers, the speaker's verdict was pretty simple --
        Clustering just isn't meant for Exchange.
        
        Like asking a car manufacturer to fix that whole
        smashing-when-you-drive-your-car-into-a-brick-wall sorta thing.  It's not
        broke.  It's just not smart.
        
        stemy
        
        
        -----Original Message-----
        From: Finch Brett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
        Posted At: Thursday, June 05, 2003 12:38 PM
        Posted To: Exchange Discussion List
        Conversation: Real world experience
        Subject: RE: Real world experience
        
        
         You mean you don't believe MS has fixed this in Exchange2K3 ? :) Thanks
        
        -----Original Message-----
        From: Hutchins, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
        Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 10:12
        To: Exchange Discussions
        Subject: RE: Real world experience
        
        
        Friends don't let friends cluster Exchange...
        
        
        (Am I sounding a little repetitive here? I seem to say that alot)
        
        
        -----Original Message-----
        From: Finch Brett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
        Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 9:47 AM
        To: Exchange Discussions
        
         I will spare the gory 'political' details as we are in the midst of trying
        to consolidate 35 '5.5' Exchange servers in 35 domains to as little servers
        as possible. We're looking at an Exchange 2K3 rollout and probably a hybrid
        AD using MS's meta directory (maybe). The real question is I am looking for
        real world experience with something similar to what we are going to from a
        Exchange 2K shop. Essentially we'll be looking at 5,000 users (.5 GB per
        mailbox) to start with another 5,000 in phase 2 and 5,000 more in phase 3.
        With a new 2K3 AD, we'll probably consider at least 2 DC's and one dedicated
        server for OWA. The main mail servers and storage is really the number
        cruncher. It's looking like a 3 server cluster and external storage (AV also
        has to be factored). All client stations will be on at least 10 if not 100
        switched lines, GB speed on the WAN backbone. I have gone to Dell and other
        places to run the traditional load 'configuration wizard' and I have always
        preferred to error on the side of you can never have too much power.  I
        would like to hear from people using SAN's or the like to account for TB
        size storage and backup. How close was the configuration load wizards to
        what you really required. Thanks
        
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